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       #Post#: 744--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: tarmacjohn Date: March 24, 2012, 5:59 pm
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       Well done Simon for some good work, it sounds as though the Farm
       Park are just going to treat us like any other fee paying member
       of the public.
       Sounds like we might have to jump through a few hoops to keep
       them happy (We are going to struggle to give them an accurate
       idea of numbers too far in advance) It might be easier just to
       go somewhere else I am thinking. Maybe a meeting of minds over a
       pint might be a good idea so that we can bounce some ideas of
       each other.
       #Post#: 746--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: Griff Grof Date: March 24, 2012, 6:40 pm
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       Thanks for all your work  ;D
       I think that a meeting could be a good idea  :) In fact, we were
       going to call to arrange something, so glad you did it in
       advance  :)
       I think a meeting would be a good idea, If you want my dad and I
       can take over the discussions, unless you are willing to
       continue?
       As you said, this could be big, better not to rush. I'd estimate
       numbers anywhere between 30-100
       Which e mail shall I send the itinerary requirements to? I did
       send that to Adam's e mail, but as you said, he is far too busy,
       and I think that e mail is out of date now...
       Thanks for getting things moving, any ideas for a committee
       meeting date at some pub?
       #Post#: 748--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: tarmacjohn Date: March 25, 2012, 7:51 am
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       After a brief chat with Wrighty this morning I think we came to
       the same conclusion. Neither of us are big fans of the idea of
       paying the farm park for us to hold a picnic (Geocaching cache
       placement guidelines not withstanding). At the end of the day
       they are a business and everything they do revolves around
       making money.
       I have to be honest and say that I can't remember what the
       original thinking was with the Farm Park but what Wrighty and
       myself is that we might just as well find a friendly farmer (Any
       takers) and borrow a field for a day.
       That's my bit said, now bring on the torrents of abuse
       #Post#: 750--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: Griff Grof Date: March 25, 2012, 9:50 am
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       I was thinking the same actually  ::)
       However, where could be a better location but the farm park?
       That was the original thinking! Families could come, go round
       the farm park, have a nice multi, and the event in the form of a
       picnic in the heart of the Cotswolds. Plus, the walks around
       there truly are stunning, and there's a large area of no caches!
       As well as this, there would be camping near to GZ, and even
       toilets on site! The whole location aspect of the event was
       perfect, and that was why the farm park was the perfect
       location! And, with it being a birthday party, we needed to
       really go all out and make it big - the farm itself is well
       known, and accessible from everywhere, in a lovely spot, and has
       the advantage of the added facilities.
       I will get onto the main part in a second, but first, and
       foremost, I personally feel that the event should take the form
       of a picnic, wherever it is held - we need a change from the
       pub, we can always hold a traditional CacheWalker at Twixmas  ;D
       I think, these days, what farmer is going to just give us a
       field? Every farm is a business these days, everyone's hungry
       for money  :o Plus, most of the areas around here are already
       filled with caches, and not much have the potential to expand -
       the farm park has a huge radius from it, with not a single
       cache! Plus, the field would most likely be wheelchair friendly,
       another plus point.
       So, I am also stumped on this one, I do agree that paying them
       would be ridiculous, for a few people to picnic for no more than
       an hour. What I was wondering was whether Simon told them it was
       just for the hour, and then after the wildlife walk, or if they
       understood it was for the whole day, and are charging us because
       of that?
       Let's have your thoughts, will talk to my dad about it and see
       what he thinks (perhaps Adam and Andy won't be so formal (and
       even charge) if Adam knows we're behind it too -  when I did a
       study on Bembourough Farm, he was very friendly, and let us walk
       anywhere we liked. I'm sure, once we agree on stuff, he'll be
       more than fine with it)
       Good thinking though you two  ;D - we do need to get the
       planning moving along, which we can't even start until we have a
       confirmed venue - any ideas for cache-free possible locations?
       #Post#: 752--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: foraging 5 Date: March 25, 2012, 3:12 pm
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       As my meeting was only a provisional one, I mentioned that
       numbers would be difficult too gauge, and time on site would be
       around 2 hours if for a picnic and short walk only.
       This is one of the other things mentioned..... time.
       If the gathering is for all to attend, i.e children and all,
       then they need (if mine is anything to go by) a lot of things to
       keep them occupied. The longer the time on site, the more things
       they require to do, and at the farm park there are lots to see
       and do, therefore the charge as per the standard group discount.
       If we turn up for a couple of hours, only .. there may be
       disappointment amongst the younger ones about not being able to
       go around the farm park, now here is the conundrum - say 20 - 30
       people turn up for a couple of hours, there would likely be a
       charge - it could be the group rate as per my original note.
       If say 100 turn up, this "could" be considerably dropped.....
       but again ...maybe only if we are there for the day using the
       park facilities.
       Hence as this was only a provisional enquiry it was hard for
       anything to be committed by the farm park, again hence the
       required email with the Cachewalker requirements for them to
       mull over, and maybe arrange a meeting.
       Arthur if your dad can do the magic with Adam, then that would
       be great, but I really think first and foremost, the Cachewalker
       meeting should take place ,to go through and detail the
       requirements.
       The email Andy Cole asked me to use was the general park
       enquiries one, with his name as a reference. He can then action
       and follow up properly.
       I am happy to meet up most evenings, need to check the better
       half's diary first though, if someone can band a few dates
       about, I can check them out. How about Broadway / Snowshill for
       a drink. (ok they are close to home, but pretty central to most
       of us /I think?)
       Other options - Broadway Tower country park, or there are so
       many fantastic spots in the Cotswolds all within a few miles off
       us all that we could just gather at and enjoy the views, with
       food and drink, good chat, and kids running relatively freely do
       you need a venue?
       #Post#: 753--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: Griff Grof Date: March 25, 2012, 3:25 pm
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       Well said Simon  ;D
       I think that the meeting should be held first, before anyone e
       mails Andy. If you'd like Simon, you could always e mail him,
       with the information I have planned, and will post for
       whenever/if you want to precede with it. Will post my planned
       timings and activities tomorrow.
       Snowshill would be better for me  ;) - I only live just outside
       the village, so fairly easy for us to get to  :D I should be
       fine for any date this week (presuming you mean evenings)
       Snap! I originally thought of Broadway Tower, but dismissed it
       because there's no where you could really place caches, and do a
       group walk - we could always skip the walk, but that is what
       makes CacheWalker events original, and since it will be 5 years
       since the first walk, then it would be a shame not to. Can
       anyone else see any possible routes around the Tower as a
       back-up?
       I think that the farm park will still be the better option, if
       magic happens to take place. I think we should have a meeting
       first, to discuss ideas with each other, and make a final
       decision. I'd need to be thinking about submitting a listing
       sometime in June too...
       #Post#: 754--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: walktall Date: March 26, 2012, 10:48 am
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       Blimey off line for a day and what happens - loads :o ;D
       Was on earlier today but the site crashed, caused my laptop
       screen to go blank (reboot) :o :o
       Paying for an event will put a lot of people off unless they are
       going to make full use of Cotswold Farm. Personally, I don't
       want to pay.
       Some good ideas but sounds like a meeting is needed. I'll have
       to put my brain in gear and see if there is any alternatives.
       #Post#: 758--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: Griff Grof Date: March 26, 2012, 11:11 am
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       From what I understood, we have to pay to have the field. That
       would be better if it is, I could always do some fundraising to
       pay for it, as the venue and location is perfect.
       Before my next point, for Simon's use (if he wants to send the e
       mail he mentioned) These were my planned timings and activities
       for the event, based around the farm park:
       08:30 -  Meet, for 08:45 Depart for the 12th CacheWalker Group
       walk
       NOT at the Farm Park, even though the walk will be in the area,
       due to timing etc. Perhaps Guiting Power?  A 7 mile or so walk,
       details TBA - the farm park doesn't need to know about this,
       other than placement of caches, only some of which will be on
       his farm - there are other farms that are not his on the walk
       13:00 - Arrive at the location to have the picnic.
       Here, we will simply picnic, have some games etc for the little
       ones, Secret Birthday Presents, paper print outs for FTF caches
       nearby not on the walk, quiz's, raffles etc. Birthday cake.
       Anything else we decide on later. - So, the farm park just need
       to know we need a field for 90 minutes.
       14:30 - Depart for the family friendly 2 mile Wildlife Walk the
       farm park has as the second walk of the day.
       This is the wildlife Walk multi cache(s) which Andy said he was
       ok about, the whole point is that this walk (unlike the first)
       is flat, educational, and for the whole family.
       15:30 - Back at the picnic location, for final farewells.
       Here, there will be awards for the quiz (and other things), A
       group photo, and basically farewells - Just tell them that we'll
       need to be back at the field for another 20 minutes - half an
       hour.
       Pretty simple, eh? With the regards to children wanting to go
       around the farm park, that is what they could do while others
       are on the walk, or after everything is over, paying at their
       own fee. I doubt they will let us have access to everywhere
       whatever the outcome it, after all, it's a picnic we want!
       A meeting IS needed, but can't do this week (my taxi has many
       deadlines to meet by Sunday) but should be able to do it any
       week after that.
       Numbers, they could be from anywhere between 20-100 max, and
       Broadway Tower also CHARGE for groups more than 12 to picnic/be
       at the country park for more than an hour!
       Any more thoughts??? As I said, don't want it to be everyone pay
       to get in (put people off) but if we could pay to have it for
       some discount, under £50 price, then I'd be willing to fund
       raise for it, and spend my savings on it!
       #Post#: 761--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: Griff Grof Date: March 26, 2012, 3:29 pm
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       See above for another post.
       Just noticed, Lump Sum (which they'd like) means a single
       payment of money. Simon, you said their charges are Adults £7.15
       Children £5.50 - so say 100 adults attended we'd be paying
       £700??!! For 120 minutes total?!
       Didn't they say something like a group fee, like £50-£100 tops?
       #Post#: 765--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CacheWalker 5 Year Event 2012
       By: walktall Date: March 26, 2012, 6:04 pm
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       Fund raiser - a special Cachewalker geocoin to be sold?
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