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#Post#: 722--------------------------------------------------
The Crane
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: April 24, 2014, 2:49 pm
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This is a thread for people who have used (or are using) this
device.
HTML http://www.thecranencrp.com/
Let us know about it.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: Connor
Date: April 26, 2014, 5:47 pm
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Hmmm I saw this a long while ago. forgot all bout it. Hopefully
someone here has tried it and then the even better and harder
step is getting them/themselves to actually post some progress
or info.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: May 22, 2014, 9:56 am
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I might get the crane in a few weeks time so. Gimme about 6
month to evaluate it :P.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: yellah
Date: June 15, 2014, 5:46 am
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@ knoppe
Will be waiting for the evaluation. Tsk!
I am now very confused whether to have homeoblock, traditional
or damon braces to move maxilla forward.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: June 15, 2014, 5:39 pm
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--- Quote from: yellah link ---
>
> @ knoppe
>
> Will be waiting for the evaluation. Tsk!
>
> I am now very confused whether to have homeoblock, traditional
or damon braces to move maxilla forward.
>
--- End Quote ---
It all depends on the severity of your problems. Look for a good
practitioner rather than a certain method. My dentist is using
ALFs, bracers and the crane (soon after he removes the coil
spring) simultaniously. Some people are getting good results
with the bioblock. Damon bracers with face pulling and NCR
worked for Plato. Afaik Ian is treated with ALFs and bracers
(not simultaniously).
There are many ways to get the job done. Knowing what I know
today about the importance of the tongues position, I'd stay
away from the homeoblock and DNA applience. You need to be able
to swallow correctly and to have a proper resting place for your
tongue. But then again, if a good practitioner uses any of
these, magic will happen...
/Knoppe
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: yellah
Date: July 6, 2014, 4:36 am
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@knoppe
There is a doctor who is expert in facial symmetries in my area
and i really wanted to see her but shes quite expensive. Im
planning to buy the crane facemask instead, any new developments
with the crane?
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: July 8, 2014, 4:55 pm
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--- Quote from: yellah link ---
>
> @knoppe
>
> There is a doctor who is expert in facial symmetries in my
area and i really wanted to see her but shes quite expensive. Im
planning to buy the crane facemask instead, any new developments
with the crane?
>
--- End Quote ---
Ben. Sorry for cluttering this thread.
Please remember that I'm only a layman and that I'm drawing from
my own experiences and that I'm still undergoing treatment. So,
I may be dead wrong about things. Do your own research and come
to your own conclusions. I can only help point you in the right
direction. With that said my advice and thoughts are as follows.
In terms of mechanical movement of teeth, cranial bones and
sutures one has to consider a 3 D approach. There are more bones
than the maxilla that affect the jaw. Also. If you have a
midface deficiency chances are that you also have narrow dental
arches because of the causal effect the tongue posture and
swallowing has on the dental arches. It's a negative feedback
loop of faulty swallowing, bad tongue posture and facial
deterioration (if you will).
Are you just after more prominent cheek bones? If so. Feel free
to follow Platos' advice and get a hockey mask. You won't need a
crane. Don't overtreat and keep the pulling forces low and
treatment time short. Let your body tell you when it's had
enough and don't push through the uncofortable feeling that
arises after some time during a treatment session.
If you have postural issues, tmd, headaches and other problems
then you probably need more than just face pulling. In that
case, the treatment is best optimized by shotguning the problem.
As Mr.Hedley says (and I do agree with him which is the reason
I've opted for NCR in conjunction with my orthodontic
treatment):
"There is no one solution. It's a little bit of this and a
little bit of that."
-Widen the dental arches and bring the maxilla forward (in my
experience, orthodontic appliences do this very, very slowly).
This will help hold the structure better and will allow for
proper tongue posture and swallowing.
-Face pull to stimulate forward movement of the maxilla.
-NCR to loosen things up and to catapult progress (NCR helps the
other two. Some people are having great resulta with self
treatment with Ben's help. I'm to scared to do it myself).
-Fix your swallowing and increase muscle tone in relevant
muscles.
Find someone experienced to diagnose you. I don't know what
expensive is but there ought to be cheaper options that are also
good. I myself go to a guy in a neighbouring country every 10
weeks. Find a functional orthodontist. I don't care about how
advanced degrees they have in traditional dentistry or medicine.
Functional orthodontics is KEY. It's crucial.
This is all so easy when you use your common sense. Dr.Mew
explains it all in his lectures so watch them. Check "claiming
power's" blogg out. It'll give you all the info you need.
It may sound as if I'm disregarding self treatment alltogether,
which I'm not. I'm giving you my approach and and I firmly
belive in the use of an expert to help diagnose the condition.
An evaluation should be enough for you to better understand
which approach you should have when trying to tackle your
problems. Just going for a single NCR treatment with a pro could
be enough to get an idea.
Self treatment is cool but drawing from other peoples experience
beforehand is even cooler in my opinion. A dentist will be able
to tell you if you need orthodontic treatment and and NCR
practitioner can confirm cranial distortions.
Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
/Knoppe
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: yellah
Date: July 10, 2014, 6:12 am
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@ Knoppe
Thanks for that. It does not matter if layman or not coz most
of the time, layman knows better than the dentists, themselves.
At first I was trying to get an palate expander but then I
opted for braces instead. I hope I could achieved my desired
results.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: Gaia
Date: July 29, 2014, 1:29 pm
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Looking at the pictures of the device
HTML http://www.thecranencrp.com/images/Crane_Brochure_4.11.pdfon
the
website for The Crane I just noticed something. It looks as if
it's pulling downwards. The angle of the elastics and also the
red lines that indicate the force of the pull are all going down
to the floor. This is the opposite of what Plato recommends on
his hockey helmet website (jawpain-tmjtreatment.com).
Quote his website:
"The KEY is that you must always hold onto the helmet with at
least one hand for the 30 minutes a day you wear the helmet
because you MUST keep the angle of pulling UP. You NEVER want to
pull down!!!"
So how could this possibly work?
Also, I was curious if anybody here knows how Dr. Howell's
Facemax Helmet pulls? I can't seem to find any pictures of it
online.
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Re: The Crane
DIR By: PUMA
Date: July 29, 2014, 3:37 pm
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I'm curious to know about the direction of pull as well.
With the standard reverse pull headgear, the aim is to move the
maxilla forward and down but it also creates the backward
movement of the mandible and increase in lower facial height.
The crane looks like it also moves the maxilla forward and
downward but perhaps the cervical collar of the crane prevents
the mandible from moving backward and downward and thus prevents
the increase in lower facial height. (I'm just taking a guess
here).
I think facemax and facepulling pulls upwards to cause forward
movement of the maxilla but not the downward movement. I think
it works in the same way as RAMPA.
According to the the article on RAMPA, it has one force that
pulls straight forward and another that pulls straight upwards,
combined, they pull the maxilla in a forward and upward position
and this actually makes the maxilla rotate clockwise, lifting
the back of the maxilla up. This will make the mandible to go
forward and upwards thus preventing the increase in lower facial
height.
The unwanted side effect of maxillary protraction headgear is
lower facial height lengthening.
I'm not a dentist so take my words with a grain of salt and if
anyone wants to add to or make a correction, feel free to. I'm
trying to learn as much as possibly could and i think we all
should so that we can go get the right treatment we need.
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