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       Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: sunspots
       Date: April 13, 2014, 3:08 pm
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       I've been considering face pulling and ran into this,
  HTML http://doityourselfdentalimpressionkit-com.mybigcommerce.com/ita-1501-hawley-traditional-retainers-includes-upper-and-lower/
       I just wondering, do you guys think this retainer could be used
       for face pulling?
       I'm most likely going to try this, does anyone have any
       thoughts/opinions?
       If anyone has any other ideas on how to go about face pulling,
       do post them on here!
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       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: ma6
       Date: August 16, 2014, 1:12 pm
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       It looks like that link is broken. But, if any one is
       interested, I'm guessing it was an old online store for this:
  HTML http://doityourselfdentalimpressionkit.com/retainers/
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       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: abetterguy
       Date: September 3, 2014, 9:14 am
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       Any progress on this??
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       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: ma6
       Date: September 12, 2014, 7:45 pm
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       I think it's very interesting.
       I think the clear retainers might work. I doubt you could
       facepull with a traditional Hawley retainer though, because it
       doesn't surround the back molars. The clear retainers do
       surround the back molars.
       You can see, you can use elastics with Invisalign
  HTML https://www.google.com/search?q=elastics+OR+rubber+OR+rubberbands+%22invisalign%22&tbm=isch,<br
       />including class III elastics. Class III elastics pull the top
       teeth forward pulling against the bottom teeth. The rubberband
       goes from top-back teeth to the front-bottom teeth. I'm guessing
       the clear retainers at doityourselfdentalimpressionkit.com are
       similar to Invisalign trays.
       So, if you can use class III elastics, it seems to me that you
       could use reverse pull headgear (or whatever) to pull the top
       teeth forward instead of pulling against the bottom teeth.
       The question I have is, how could you attach hooks to the clear
       retainer?
       #Post#: 810--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: PUMA
       Date: September 13, 2014, 1:21 am
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       I think the hook is attached to the tooth, not the tray. I could
       be wrong though.
       #Post#: 811--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: ma6
       Date: September 13, 2014, 10:53 am
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       Oh, you're right. I didn't notice that. Darn.
       ...But, it looks like one hook can be cut into the aligner
       itself. This person has Invisalign with class III elastics, with
       a hook cut in the upper aligner and a button attached directly
       to the lower canines:
  HTML http://www.archwired.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=286329#p286329
       This site says:
  HTML http://www.animated-teeth.com/dental-braces/a-invisalign-attachments.htm
       --- Quote ---
       > What are Invisalign® "buttons"?
       > "Buttons" are the term Invisalign® uses for small plastic
       brackets that serve as anchors points for elastic bands.
       >
       > As examples, one button may be placed on an upper eyetooth and
       the other on a lower molar, with an elastic running between
       them. In other cases, the second anchor point for the elastic is
       sometimes the Invisalign® aligner itself.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I wonder if I could get an upper retainer/tray from
       doityourselfdentalimpressionkit or crystalbraces, and use a tiny
       dremel tool to cut a hook in the top back of the tray and pull
       on that with thecrane or a helmet or something.
       #Post#: 813--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Face Pulling Apliances
   DIR By: PUMA
       Date: September 13, 2014, 12:21 pm
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       "I wonder if I could get an upper retainer/tray from
       doityourselfdentalimpressionkit or crystalbraces, and use a tiny
       dremel tool to cut a hook in the top back of the tray and pull
       on that with thecrane or a helmet or something."
       Certainly worth a try. If it works, it would be great. If
       invisalign tray can be used for face pulling I'd go for it. I
       had a consult with invisalign ortho that I really liked but
       didn't start treatment yet because of my desire do face pulling
       first.
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