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#Post#: 664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: February 10, 2014, 3:12 pm
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From my perspective studying it, I don't think face pulling is
any more likely than NCR/endonasal inflations to bring the
mandible forward. If it comes forward it should be because the
temporozygomatic arch (maybe the entire zygomatic process)
shifts laterally and that's just as likely to happen from
NCR/inflations as face pulling. Look at this picture
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The condyle/round part where the mandible connects into a socket
in the back - there's a disc/connective tissue in there and
ligaments holding connecting that part of the mandible to the
temporozygomatic arch.. If the zygomatic arch moves out
laterally the ligaments "loosen" or extend slightly over time
and that's what could pull the mandible slightly forward. It's
prob a little bit more complicated and I could be wrong it's
just the only thing that makes sense to me.
You can see better on this photo, the stylomandibular ligament
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#Post#: 666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: paffalot
Date: February 11, 2014, 7:34 am
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>
> Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?
>
> It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next
NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there
are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except
a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean
up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the
original testimonial.
>
> On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and
day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations
and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their
photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X
Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this
unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people
seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
>
--- End Quote ---
The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I
dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures
on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to
mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah
please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts
looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with
the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal
agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that
for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed,
simply because they should be judged by the results of the
people (which nobody shares)
I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters.
There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing
except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures.
Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird,
slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and
counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express
#Post#: 671--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Matt91
Date: February 11, 2014, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: paffalot link ---
>
> [quote]
> Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?
>
> It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next
NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there
are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except
a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean
up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the
original testimonial.
>
> On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and
day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations
and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their
photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X
Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this
unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people
seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
>
--- End Quote ---
The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I
dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures
on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to
mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah
please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts
looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with
the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal
agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that
for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed,
simply because they should be judged by the results of the
people (which nobody shares)
I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters.
There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing
except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures.
Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird,
slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and
counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express
[/quote]
Paffalot, I begin my treatment tomorrow. I have had absolutely
no engagement with NCR nor it's proponents, prior to my posts
here.
I'll let you know how it goes, and post the pics, if possible.
#Post#: 672--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: paffalot
Date: February 11, 2014, 5:26 pm
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Okey Mate, hope that everything goes better than expected for
you. Are you doing self-treatment or you will have to done by
practitioners ?
#Post#: 674--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: February 12, 2014, 1:00 am
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Yeah Paffalot, well I completely understand your perspective and
mostly agree.
Wish I had could come up with a better solution than harassing
people for photos.
#Post#: 675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Complexx
Date: February 12, 2014, 2:37 pm
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@Paff WHAT are you talking about?
1) There AREN'T many active people on this forum. Actually, thus
forum JUST started to pick up with newer people like a month or
2 ago.
2) You obviously haven't seen Tyler or Racheal (hope I got her
name right) and their pictures.
3) There are before and after photos of Iam Hedley on this forum
as well as on Platos site.
4) If you go to Plato's website you will find before and after
pictures of him as well.... He even has profile shots if his X
Ray pictures.
Please don't go on a rant if you've barely done any research. I
understand your frustration but come on man, that first comment
was quite ridiculous.
#Post#: 676--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Ben
Date: February 12, 2014, 5:16 pm
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I read a comment that Ben.S wrote on a youtube video awhile
back, I can't remember what video or what he wrote exactly but
man it struck a chord with me.
--- Quote from: paffalot link ---
>
> [quote]
> Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?
>
> It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next
NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there
are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except
a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean
up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the
original testimonial.
>
> On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and
day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations
and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their
photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X
Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this
unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people
seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
>
--- End Quote ---
The only two people who have posted pics are you and Messiah. I
dont know how can you earn a referral from posting your pictures
on the various forums, like zillion times per forum. And not to
mention the very very same pictures. That being said, Messiah
please dont do that its not needed and as i said it starts
looking more like advertising campaign rather than sharing with
the community. If this is advertising or you had verbal
agreement with the NCR docs, then stop doing and tell em that
for medical and health procedures no advertising is needed,
simply because they should be judged by the results of the
people (which nobody shares)
I dont know why people are not posting more before and afters.
There are many users active quite a lot here and still nothing
except superlative words about how "awesome" are the procedures.
Which I dont deny at this point, but its just really weird,
slightly selfish, starts looking a bit fake and
counter-productive for the development of the people here
this was what i wanted to express
[/quote]
I'd gladly put up photos, I don't care who sees me. I'd put a
picture full frontal nude with full shrinkage and show it to the
whole world and not care. The thing that has stopped me from
putting up pictures so far is simply that I have not yet seen
results which would show up in a photo, hell I'm not even sure
I've had results. I'm just glad to be trying something that
gives me hope for improvement. I do know this for sure I
noticed that my skull got really crunchy after doing a series of
self NCR.
But.. I got the same feeling as you though mate, in that there
seems to be undertones of something shady going on here lots of
suggestive material and almost a marketing feel to it from Ben.S
and Messiah but you know they are not getting any money from me
directly so I'm just happy to see how it all plays out. I'll
leave you with this though.. awhile back I did some internet
stalking and while doing so I read a comment that Ben.S ( not me
I need to change my user name to save confusion) wrote on a
youtube video and I was like dam this guy is the real deal.
#Post#: 677--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: February 12, 2014, 10:25 pm
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Other Ben: how do I even begin to dismantle this clusterf*ck of
inane, insulting accusations? I think the reason your comment
p*sses me off so much is because it turns reality completely
upside down, it's the exact opposite of what's true.
I do sympathize with you though. If I could solve the mystery
about why some of us get great results, some progress slowly and
others get none I would. It's a work in progress.
You want to know how much money I get from writing all those
articles on my website and helping people through phone/skype on
a regular basis? About $150-200 a month. Those are slave wages
by the way - below minimum wage. People who get great results
don't compensate me because there's no pressure to do so, and
because they do most of the work, I just point them in the
direction. Just like there's no pressure to post photos so
people don't. People are selfish because I don't have a personal
relationship with them - it's the Internet. Remember the guy who
sent me those profile photos everyone thinks are amazing? He
only sent them because he wanted my feedback about whether the
changes are even there. He thought he was making it up. Since
then the guy hasn't even replied to his email (I asked for
updates).
Another guy was skyping me just the other day talking about how
much his life has changed since doing this (it's been over a
year for him). He was talking about how girls who used to
dismiss him are paying attention to him now, how he looks like a
whole new person -- even his family and friends have noticed.
How he has none of the breathing problems, headaches and neck
issues that plagued his life every day. I asked him multiple
times to post photos and eventually he might but that's his
business.
--- Quote ---
>
> But.. I got the same feeling as you though mate, in that there
seems to be undertones of something shady going on here lots of
suggestive material and almost a marketing feel to it from Ben.S
and Messiah but you know they are not getting any money from me
directly so I'm just happy to see how it all plays out.
>
--- End Quote ---
If it wasn't already obvious, it should now be that I'm not
doing this for money--and whatever Messiah earns from referrals
is chump change (if it's anything at all). She probably comes
across as marketing because she's used to running a few websites
and sells supplements/alt medicine stuff through it, she puts
affiliate marketing banners in her email tags and had one on
this forum for several months until I recently decided to delete
it due to several complaints.
Years ago I was naive and hoped everyone would improve the way
I did because some of the guys I helped early on were getting
the same results as me, so I posted a few comments on youtube (3
or 4) and a few on alternative forums. One of the first people I
helped goes by CP I think? He has a blog.. forgot the url,
something about reclaimingpower. That guy has visited this forum
on many occasions and yet he hasn't posted photos either.
Honestly I thought this could change the world or at least a
good segment of it. It was that comment you're reacting to, when
I was so optimistic and hopeful about everyone getting the same
results as me.
People like you, who do this and don't see any benefit make me
seriously consider removing my article and website. In fact
after two people had bad/no results (one of them posted on this
forum), I actually refused to help people for a few months but
it was the fact that there are so many more good results than
bad results that prompted me to keep helping and refining the
article.
If my goal was marketing, I wouldn't do it this way. This might
be one of the worst marketing campaigns in human history. Hell
this forum doesn't even link to my website anymore. My only goal
is to be plain and honest with people and to help those people
who want to help themselves. If you're not getting help here, by
all means help yourself out.
#Post#: 678--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Ben
Date: February 12, 2014, 11:53 pm
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Ben why are you reacting so badly. I think you've misunderstood
what I was trying to say. I'm very early on in my self NCR
treatments so that is why all I could say for sure is that my
skull got crunchy. That to me was a positive thing, maybe I
should have made it more clear. It showed me that something was
happening it wasn't painful or scary it was interesting to have
this kind of thing happen early on.
So man I'm not attacking anyone and I'm sorry you seem to think
it as that. Perhaps you and I just have a personality clash or
something. Oh and in the last sentence I'm backing you up. I
loved reading the youtube comment you made, it was very well
written and a great response. Peace
#Post#: 679--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Ben
Date: February 13, 2014, 12:08 am
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Ben.S you know nothing about me and your making some huge
assumptions. Jesus I just spoke my mind, saying I got a little
bit of that kind of feeling so what? Someone else had that
feeling too. Then in my own words I stated that I'd had some
kind of results (positive to me but obviously didn't read like
that) and then said that having read some things you'd written
and followed you a little on the internet that I thought you
were the 'real deal' just to offer someone else some
reassurance. This is why I hate writing comments on forums
because people jump the gun, I will be more careful in future.
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