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#Post#: 613--------------------------------------------------
Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: menapilo
Date: January 23, 2014, 7:57 am
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First time posting here. I'm thinking about starting FP and NCR
as soon as I get all the gadgets needed.
My face now:
1. My mandible is somewhat short, the vertical length is 10 cm
(4 inches) but I also think it sits too far back. Look at the
first pic, the red line is my estimated guess of the angle of
the ramus. In the second pic I have pushed my mandible forward
and I think the angle looks normal there.
2. My nose looks like it's rotated upward. Look at pic 1, the
yellow line has the same angle as the cartilage in the lower
part of my nose, that explains why it looks the way it does. I
have thought about adding more cartilage there so that I get a
more manly nose.
3. My sloping forehead.
All these 3 thing make the other 2 look worse. The face is
convex + an odd nose for a man.
Will FP make my nose point even more upward?
Will FP change the position of my mandible so that I get a
better balanced profile? (I haven't seen any profile pics from
people that has had good results from FP)
Can NCR make my forehead less sloped? (Filling out the top part
of my forehead)
The mouth guard plato showed
(
HTML http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/images/nightguard-for-tmj.jpg)<br
/>with metal wires, is that a cheap moldable thing or custom
made
from a lab?
Isn't the metal wire better than the shoelace method some people
here have used?
What treatment is recomended to begin with? Does it matter?
#Post#: 614--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: January 23, 2014, 1:13 pm
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What I think happens from NCR/ballooning (I don't have as much
exp with face pullers) is the zygomatic process, (cheekbone)
tends to move/expand out so the way the mandible connects to the
temporo-mandibular joint changes, so the mandible sometimes
moves forward. However in your case it's pretty minor and the
mandible is already well developed, but of course it could
improve.
The sloped forehead can change as well for the better, this is
more complicated..
Nose likely won't come down unless your nasal bones are
essentially "pushed into" the skull, but judging by the photos
it's hard to say if that's the case or if you just don't have
much cartilage on the lower part of your nose. Can't win em all
buddy. You can take mine :)
#Post#: 644--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: menapilo
Date: February 5, 2014, 10:38 am
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Can anyone inform me if FP could make my nose even more up
rotated and more pronounced? Thats the only thing that keeps me
from starting the treatment.
#Post#: 649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: Gaia
Date: February 6, 2014, 9:59 pm
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It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a
look at Ian's before and after photos:
Here
HTML http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/could-you-please-give-advice-to-a-doctor-trying-to-perfect-maxillary-protraction/?message=642<br
/>- check out the bottom picture of Before and After.
The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same
direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer
to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.
#Post#: 650--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: menapilo
Date: February 7, 2014, 11:55 am
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--- Quote from: Gaia link ---
>
> It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a
look at Ian's before and after photos:
>
> Here
HTML http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/could-you-please-give-advice-to-a-doctor-trying-to-perfect-maxillary-protraction/?message=642<br
/>- check out the bottom picture of Before and After.
>
> The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same
direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer
to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.
>
--- End Quote ---
It looks that way. How come there are no profile shots taken of
somebody that has been facepulling? Haven't seen a sinlge one.
#Post#: 654--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: MessiahMews
Date: February 7, 2014, 11:07 pm
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--- Quote from: menapilo link ---
>
> [quote author=Gaia link=topic=74.msg649#msg649
date=1391745599]
> It seems hard to predict exactly what will happen, but take a
look at Ian's before and after photos:
>
> Here
HTML http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/could-you-please-give-advice-to-a-doctor-trying-to-perfect-maxillary-protraction/?message=642<br
/>- check out the bottom picture of Before and After.
>
> The position of his nose has changed greatly, in the same
direction as you seem to want. The entire face has moved closer
to the golden ratio. Note that he did both face pulling and NCR.
>
--- End Quote ---
It looks that way. How come there are no profile shots taken of
somebody that has been facepulling? Haven't seen a sinlge one.
[/quote]
Go to to the before/after photos thread for my profile after NCR
and face pulling with my own hands. Before pic is in 2010
before any work, and the after pic is after 6 NCR sessions and
FP with hands.
For my nose, I'm using that device called a NasoFix. My nose is
wide, mis-contoured and highly undefined at the tip. It is also
oval/bulbous and lacking sufficient definition. The thing is
supposed to reshape the cartilage.
And I want to try the CandyLipz for my actual lips.
#Post#: 656--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: menapilo
Date: February 9, 2014, 5:55 am
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Well at least I can't tell much difference since there are 2
different angles and 2 different facial expressions. Don't
understand why there are so few profile shots of people who've
had good results.
#Post#: 657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: paffalot
Date: February 9, 2014, 6:07 am
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--- Quote from: menapilo link ---
>
> Well at least I can't tell much difference since there are 2
different angles and 2 different facial expressions. Don't
understand why there are so few profile shots of people who've
had good results.
>
--- End Quote ---
I absolutely agree menapilo !
And besides, please stop posting the very very same pictures in
all the threads and all the different forums ! Personally for
me, doing this makes the credibility of the NCR treatments whey
less, because its starts looking like advertising campaign. To
be honest the fact that there are so many people here, and so
many threads and still however, the very same 2 people only have
posted the same pictures like thousand times already rings a
bell .
if this post gets deleted then thats a sure indication that
something is really wrong...
#Post#: 658--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: February 9, 2014, 10:45 am
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> To be honest the fact that there are so many people here, and
so many threads and still however, the very same 2 people only
have posted the same pictures like thousand times already rings
a bell
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Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?
It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next NCR
session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there are
no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except a
desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean up
the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the
original testimonial.
On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and
day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations
and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their
photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X
Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this
unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people
seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
#Post#: 663--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can FP change nose appaerance and treat a retruded mandible?
DIR By: menapilo
Date: February 10, 2014, 10:13 am
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--- Quote from: bstratt25 link ---
>
>
>
> Paffalot: who are these two people? MessiahMews and who else?
>
> It is possible she can earn a referral discount off the next
NCR session if she sends someone to Hillary, but otherwise there
are no incentives whatsoever for her to post NCR results except
a desire to help/share. However as the forum admin I will clean
up the extra photo posts and replace them with a link to the
original testimonial.
>
> On that note, I know several people who have amazing night and
day before/after photos - using the endonasal balloon inflations
and facepulling, but I still can't get them to post their
photos. I've asked repeatedly and there's always a "as soon as X
Happens..." excuse. There are a lot of reasons for this
unfortunate phenomenon. it's mainly the discomfort of people
seeing what they used to look like, but also laziness.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well thats too bad, really. Not many people view this forum and
the person posting pics will stay anonymous. That's what I am
waiting for basically. To see evidence of peoples mandibles
swinging forward.
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