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#Post#: 609--------------------------------------------------
The importance of balloon size (or: a guinea pig drops some
knowledge).
DIR By: rachel
Date: January 22, 2014, 9:05 pm
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Hey y'all. A few weeks ago I posted a bit about my issues I had
with NCR (both self-administered and with my chiro) in the
"Questions/Problems and Answers" sticky thread. I'll try and do
a short re-cap. [edit: lol]
NCR seemed like a miracle treatment to me at first because I was
so, so locked/twisted up. I had/have pectus excavatum,
scoliosis, and shoddy orthodontic work that I never wanted in
the first place. I had a history of abuse. When I began
treatment with my chiro I was making a looooottt of money (for a
20-something year old recent grad without any responsibilities
or debt) and so going in once a month at a slightly discounted
rate did not seem crazy to me because I felt so much happier and
more focused, less anxious. I believe I had my first treatment
at the very end of 2011 and continued to progress and feel
better until January 2012. That was approximately 12-14
sessions.
By this time my life had changed a lot. Money was low and I came
across this site and experimented with self NCR. Got the
balloons at Walgreens and all of them seemed far stretchier than
what my guy was using. I did not get the powerful force (and
cracking) I did in the office and attributed it to the balloon
difference after a few days of failed attempts and noting the
difference in sensation.
Had allotted money for a negative outcome and so I went back to
my chiro and had another session. Felt so much better and
decided that going forward self-NCR was not for me. However, I
started to have issues about two sessions later (April and then
worse in May). I felt a strong outward-pushing sensation on my
nosebridge while having balloons inflated and it felt very, very
different from the treatment I had before and very off. Usually
I feel great following a session but I had trouble sleeping and
my head felt constantly tight and stressed/stretched. While
sleeping my jaw pushed outward to try and compensate for the
stretched nose(bridge). Essentially it felt like he was blowing
my head up at whatever random direction instead of at a targeted
point, and I felt and looked a little strange during this time.
This is getting long. Sorry.
I decided that instead of giving money I didn't really have to
this guy who would NOT listen to me and completely blew me off
when I was terrified and made it clear that something was wrong
I would experiment with other types of bodywork that I had
researched. Over the next six months I did a rolfing series and
got my atlas adjusted. Both of these were very powerful and
restored my skull/face to a relaxed and mostly symmetric state.
But for most maintaining near-perfect equilibrium is impossible
without maintaining continual recalibration. Three months after
any bodywork my chiro (who was calling a lot by this point) left
a message and I decided to call him back to express my concerns
again and because a part of me wanted the balance and symmetry
that I felt in those early days of NCR.
He admitted that he began using a different type/brand of
balloon around the time I came in for my final two sessions when
I had issues. After I stopped coming back other clients
expressed similar concerns. Eventually he tried the balloons
himself and realized that they were so stretchy that they
expanded in any direction instead of back into the upper throat
cavity where the sphenoid is affected. He assured me that he had
better balloons in now and apologized for not listening to me.
Now I am a contractor and had just gotten paid for a chunk of
work so I came in, hoping that it would be as effective as it
was before. It was...not the same...but also not scary like last
time. My cheekbones are definitely huge now and symmetry
improved initially (starting to regress a bit now at the 2 week
mark) but I have noticed that my jaw is clenched at night again
and that my tongue thrust is way more noticeable and painful. I
believe that NCR is a valid treatment if one is an expert in the
nuances of it but also that complementary treatments are
essential and overtreatment may be a real concern. At this point
it seems that NCR and the rolfing and atlas treatment made more
symmetry in my face but that I literally DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE
in my jaw (from braces/small palate w big teeth) to go further
and so instead my face is pushing forward in a triangular way,
feeling pressure around my "third eye"/nose bridge/front teeth
vs. my face widening and coming together all at once. Because of
this I am having some trouble breathing through my nose and my
head tilts forward a lot, causing my sacrum to move back and my
knees to lock. This went away with rolfing. But I was greedy and
wanted the whole package/perfection.
I have a few prospects for jobs with great insurance and going
forward I think I am going to stick with rolfing/massage/pilates
and look into palate expansion via the DNA Appliance or
homeoblock should I get one of these jobs. Overall NCR has
mostly been great (and has helped me get into touch with my body
in an unreal way) but as someone who has had many treatments I
believe there is a point one reaches where it ceases to be
helpful. Maybe if I have my palate expanded it would become more
effective again in the future. But I just would like to convey,
as someone who has been experimenting with this for awhile, that
you need to listen to your body/self and that more is not always
better. I wish there were better ways to standardize the process
but from my own experience it can be quite random and fickle.
#Post#: 612--------------------------------------------------
Re: The importance of balloon size (or: a guinea pig drops some
knowledge).
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: January 23, 2014, 1:04 am
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Rachel, thank you so much for this post.
It's extremely important I think to convey these kinds of
nuances to people and you've illustrated it like I could never
do. It's not enough just to say something is nuanced and not
give specific examples, so thank you for these. I might like to
use pieces of what you wrote here in the future to put into my
article/guide, if you give permission. I hope people will share
similar types of information on this thread.
When I first began this process on myself nearly 2 years ago
now, I thought everyone would be like me, and change like me. I
stupidly jumped to the conclusion that this would be totally
revolutionary. It eventually could be, but we we're not there
yet with knowledge. My attitude has shifted over time. Somehow
these facial/skeletal differences need to be assessed
prior/during NCR or other modalities... [rhetorical rant
incoming---->]but I'm stuck feeling like it's TOO gutsy of me to
try to come up with self assessment methods. I do have ideas...
but that's encroaching too much into medical territory and I'm
not confident enough.. I think we're crazy or mature enough here
to doctor ourselves---it's just ballsy to suggest self
assessment methods if it causes people to reach a false
conclusion or self diagnose.
I'm going to continue to track and organize information like
yours, collect this type of data from people doing this (most
people are nowhere near as detailed or self-aware), and
eventually distill it into a simple format on my website. That's
really the best way.
#Post#: 617--------------------------------------------------
Re: The importance of balloon size (or: a guinea pig drops some
knowledge).
DIR By: Connor
Date: January 26, 2014, 4:42 pm
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Im in love with this post and so gosh dang glad you did it. So
very detailed and great. Its good to post as much information as
possible much of the time because people need to see as many
angles as they can until they hit that one "angle" that allows
them understand what people are talking about. Thanks a lot for
this post it has definitely relaxed me and allowed me to hit
some conclusions while planted the seeds for new ideas. Great
stuff.
-Connor
#Post#: 715--------------------------------------------------
Re: The importance of balloon size (or: a guinea pig drops some
knowledge).
DIR By: singer07
Date: April 3, 2014, 10:14 pm
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--- Quote from: rachel link ---
>
> Hey y'all. A few weeks ago I posted a bit about my issues I
had with NCR (both self-administered and with my chiro) in the
"Questions/Problems and Answers" sticky thread. I'll try and do
a short re-cap. [edit: lol]
>
> NCR seemed like a miracle treatment to me at first because I
was so, so locked/twisted up. I had/have pectus excavatum,
scoliosis, and shoddy orthodontic work that I never wanted in
the first place. I had a history of abuse. When I began
treatment with my chiro I was making a looooottt of money (for a
20-something year old recent grad without any responsibilities
or debt) and so going in once a month at a slightly discounted
rate did not seem crazy to me because I felt so much happier and
more focused, less anxious. I believe I had my first treatment
at the very end of 2011 and continued to progress and feel
better until January 2012. That was approximately 12-14
sessions.
>
> By this time my life had changed a lot. Money was low and I
came across this site and experimented with self NCR. Got the
balloons at Walgreens and all of them seemed far stretchier than
what my guy was using. I did not get the powerful force (and
cracking) I did in the office and attributed it to the balloon
difference after a few days of failed attempts and noting the
difference in sensation.
>
> Had allotted money for a negative outcome and so I went back
to my chiro and had another session. Felt so much better and
decided that going forward self-NCR was not for me. However, I
started to have issues about two sessions later (April and then
worse in May). I felt a strong outward-pushing sensation on my
nosebridge while having balloons inflated and it felt very, very
different from the treatment I had before and very off. Usually
I feel great following a session but I had trouble sleeping and
my head felt constantly tight and stressed/stretched. While
sleeping my jaw pushed outward to try and compensate for the
stretched nose(bridge). Essentially it felt like he was blowing
my head up at whatever random direction instead of at a targeted
point, and I felt and looked a little strange during this time.
>
> This is getting long. Sorry.
>
> I decided that instead of giving money I didn't really have to
this guy who would NOT listen to me and completely blew me off
when I was terrified and made it clear that something was wrong
I would experiment with other types of bodywork that I had
researched. Over the next six months I did a rolfing series and
got my atlas adjusted. Both of these were very powerful and
restored my skull/face to a relaxed and mostly symmetric state.
>
> But for most maintaining near-perfect equilibrium is
impossible without maintaining continual recalibration. Three
months after any bodywork my chiro (who was calling a lot by
this point) left a message and I decided to call him back to
express my concerns again and because a part of me wanted the
balance and symmetry that I felt in those early days of NCR.
>
> He admitted that he began using a different type/brand of
balloon around the time I came in for my final two sessions when
I had issues. After I stopped coming back other clients
expressed similar concerns. Eventually he tried the balloons
himself and realized that they were so stretchy that they
expanded in any direction instead of back into the upper throat
cavity where the sphenoid is affected. He assured me that he had
better balloons in now and apologized for not listening to me.
>
> Now I am a contractor and had just gotten paid for a chunk of
work so I came in, hoping that it would be as effective as it
was before. It was...not the same...but also not scary like last
time. My cheekbones are definitely huge now and symmetry
improved initially (starting to regress a bit now at the 2 week
mark) but I have noticed that my jaw is clenched at night again
and that my tongue thrust is way more noticeable and painful. I
believe that NCR is a valid treatment if one is an expert in the
nuances of it but also that complementary treatments are
essential and overtreatment may be a real concern. At this point
it seems that NCR and the rolfing and atlas treatment made more
symmetry in my face but that I literally DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE
in my jaw (from braces/small palate w big teeth) to go further
and so instead my face is pushing forward in a triangular way,
feeling pressure around my "third eye"/nose bridge/front teeth
vs. my face widening and coming together all at once. Because of
this I am having some trouble breathing through my nose and my
head tilts forward a lot, causing my sacrum to move back and my
knees to lock. This went away with rolfing. But I was greedy and
wanted the whole package/perfection.
>
> I have a few prospects for jobs with great insurance and going
forward I think I am going to stick with rolfing/massage/pilates
and look into palate expansion via the DNA Appliance or
homeoblock should I get one of these jobs. Overall NCR has
mostly been great (and has helped me get into touch with my body
in an unreal way) but as someone who has had many treatments I
believe there is a point one reaches where it ceases to be
helpful. Maybe if I have my palate expanded it would become more
effective again in the future. But I just would like to convey,
as someone who has been experimenting with this for awhile, that
you need to listen to your body/self and that more is not always
better. I wish there were better ways to standardize the process
but from my own experience it can be quite random and fickle.
>
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Can you tell us what brand (what kind of) balloon he was using
that you experienced the best results from? Im about to start
doing this and i dont want to buy the wrong thing and not get
good results.
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