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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Ben
Date: January 8, 2014, 4:39 am
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I use olive oil, I just smear a little bit on the cot with my
fingers then insert. I always re-apply for every inflation
though as the cot gets covered in nasal wetness which reduces
the effect of the lube. I read user CP's posts listed on his
profile just now and maybe reading the last one of his will be
helpful to you.
Ben
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 11, 2014, 3:46 pm
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All right.
I did a session of 30 min face pulling and then tried endo nasal
balooning.
I don't know if the face pulling helped but i figured some warm
up couldn't be bad.
This time I also used olive oil, not that I soaked the finger
cot but enough to get it slimey.
What happened this time?
Well, this time I made some progress in that I got it a bit
further into my left upper and lower turbines. Some coughing but
no release. In my upper right I got it to the point where it
gaged me. I'm not sure but I don't think I've managed to get it
this far in before. The caughing and gaging made me feel I'd had
enough. I pumped until I almost barfed and then deflated it. I
did not feel any release. If any, I feel a bit more restricted.
I also belive that it's possible to get it a bit further in.
Don't know how to avoid puking though.
Lube is definatly needed. Thank you Ben!
I'm also a bit scared of using. (what I think is) enough
preassure. I'm thinking it might be an idea to go to a pro to
get a feel for how it's done. Too bad I live to far away. I did
feel some action in my forhead (tingling) and some action in my
TMJs' and neck (warmth/tingling). So something happened. I hope
it's not bad. I'm a bit worried that I might screw something up
or pus a vertebrae out of it's position.
Over and out.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: marcfranco
Date: January 12, 2014, 9:01 pm
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Hi guys,
I'm newly registered to this site but I have been following it
for a very long time now. And I've been performing self NCR on
and off since 2011; more off than on because I think I was doing
it wrong, just not getting it. It seems like a lot of people
here are having the same experiences I've had for a LONG time as
far as not really getting it(feeling a release/movement,hearing
the cracking release sound).
Anyway recently when this forum became active again I was hoping
to come across any mention of something I wasn't doing before,
and I did.
It was in a recent post where bstratt mentioned something about
inflating and then "pushing through" and I was like OHH maybe
that's what it is.
So I started up on self NCR again but this time with the balloon
I "pushed through."
*Here's what I was doing all this time, and for a long time,
that wasn't doing anything(i think).
**** I would lead the balloon into a turbinate and get it as far
back and then inflate it and it would inflate through the back
of my throat, and just poke it's way to the other side. Don't
get me wrong sometimes I would feel something that seemed like a
release and I would hear a little clicky noise back there and in
my ears but obviously after my experience with doing it the way
I am now with 'pushing through' this wasn't enough. For me now,
I know the difference and when i feel a release I KNOW it's a
release. Before I was unsure.
*Here's the way I do it now(after a very long time of unsure
releases).
****So now instead of leading the balloon as far back into the
turbinate as I could I just direct the balloon into a specific
turbinate and slip it in(not worrying about getting it super
deep, but definatley feeling confident it's directed toward a
specific turbinate). What I do next is give the balloon a couple
pumps to get it firm(usually one and a half pump to two full
pumps), and the I PUSH THROUGH into the turbinate and pump some
more. Now that I am doing it this way there is no doubt in the
release I am feeling and hearing. Now I know the way I was doing
it before wasn't working(for me).
-just a side note for when I push through: when I push through,
the balloon will usually easily find its way back into the
turbinate just nicely unless I didn't direct it to a turbinate
properly. If I try to push through and it feels like I'm just
flattening the inflated balloon into the wall of my nose I know
I don't have the balloon aligned properly and take it out and
direct it toward a turbinate again.
Anyway that's the way that works for ME. I have been following
these post for a long time now and just recently decided to
register so I could comment this. I see a lot of people who seem
to be struggling to feel a release like I have for so long,
again since 2011. And it wasn't until I read that one little
post that bstratt wrote about "pushing through" that I had
another little bit of hope with self NCR. His comment actually
mentioned something about -twisting the balloon and pushing
through- I tried the twisting thing but for me personally and in
my situation the pushing through method is working without
twisting.
Again I just wanted to share MY experience, and I'm not saying
this will help you with your release but it most definately
helped with mine.
Now when I feel a release I absolutely know it and don't have
that doubt of "did it do anything?"
It's only been a few days of treating this way and I feel it's
doing something more that the past couple years that I've been
doing it the other way. My face is wider and I actually feel
that subtle soreness that bstratt mentions afterwards.
I hope this helps somebody because I know I was frustrated with
feeling a release for a long time.
Oh and another thing, thank you Ben for your update photos you
look really nice.
I read your comment of hopefully putting other's progress photos
up with their permission I hope we can see some soon!
I always thought it was weird that there weren't any how to
videos of people performing self NCR on youtube or anybody
sharing them through here for each other, just a thought for any
of you who are comfortable doing this, I definately am NOT lol
so I guess I can see why there aren't any :p
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: marcfranco
Date: January 12, 2014, 9:23 pm
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so here is the comment bstratt wrote that got me to perform my
self NCR differently
he talks about pushing through in the 3rd paragraph
--- Quote from: bstratt25 link ---
>
> Thanks Tyler! And it's no problem, we're all trying to help
each other here. Some people require less force to get the
release than others (and will require less and less over time),
the key is just getting that release each time. I'm always
learning what works and what doesn't, and what's best for the
majority of people.
>
> February Richard do you have a rite aid near you? I buy the
assorted cots because you can try different sizes. Chances are
they are too short, but the turbinates could be very close
together as well... If you inflate inside the turbinate gently,
you'll separate them out over a few days, (by less than .5mm)
and you should be able to get the cot through. Also try using
different nasal passages until you can find one that's easy to
get through- and out into the 'open space.'
>
> The technique I use is gentle inflations inside the turbinate
until they separate out just a little bit, then twist the device
and push the balloon back through the turbinate until it reaches
the open area. When you inflate in that "area" against the
sphenoid, a cough reflex should kick in.
>
> The technique used in NCR is different - but I don't want to
say this is 100% correct, just from my recollection and talking
to people. They align the balloon in the turbinate then build up
a huge amount of pressure inside the turbinate, while pushing
gently, and then it essentially bursts through the passage and
into the sphenoid. I don't like this method because it's
dangerous in my view. That's why there have been a few bone
fractures (in osteoporosis patients...) in the past... and it
seems you'd be more likely to lose a balloon and choke somebody.
One reason I think they use this method is that your cough
reflex kicks in when the balloon is inflated in the throat so it
has to be swift.. but if you're doing this yourself you can
learn to suppress the reflex long enough to get the release
because you're expecting it.
>
> "Reclaiming what is mine"... awesome.
>
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: bstratt25
Date: January 13, 2014, 6:15 pm
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Thanks for posting this Marc! Awesome. A lot of people make that
mistake when they start out, if it weren't for the fact that I
had NCR I probably would have kept doing it that way (the wrong
way) for more than a couple months myself. It's easy to think
you're inflating in the right spot when you're just in the
turbinate.
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