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Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: December 30, 2013, 1:13 pm
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Hey folks!
So, I'll introduce myself briefly before sharing my experiences
so far.
I'm thirty and I've been plagued by postural, neck and shoulder
issues, TMJ and horrible tinnitus for the last 10 years. About
one and a half year ago I had enough and quit grains aswell as
started researching TMJ and tinnitus for real. To make a long
story short. I'm currently 3 months in treatment with braces and
ALF (advanced lightwire functionals). I've done a few
facepulling sessions and 3-4 self NCR sessions. I'm looking to
unlock the connective tissue in my skull to help the orthodontic
treatment I'm recieving to solve my over jet and overbite
(aswell as scissor bite). I belive that all tvings are needed to
restore balance. Including a change of diet (looking into
"peatatarianism".
My experience with self NCR/endo nasal baloon therapy so far is
nothing special. My treatments have been as follows:
Treatment 1
Inflated baloon in nasal cavity and stoped right after (couldn't
get it in the turbine and freaked out).
Treatment 2
Inflated in the right upper turbine only. Stopped when gag
reflex/coughing set in. Tears came out of my right eye. No pop,
no feeling of movement. Preparation = overhead squats to get
circulation going.
I felt like I had a cold and felt a bit more tightness in my
skull and neck. Stifness aswell. Upside is easier to breathe
through nose.
Treatment number 3
Inflated in upper right, lower right, upper left and lower left.
Gag reflex/coughing in each turbine. No release. More
tightness/stifness in skull and neck. Preparation = overhead
squats.
Felt like I had a cold for a few hours and the skull/head felt
shaken. When walking afterwards I felt a bit straighter though
skull still tight.
Treatment 4
Felt like cavities where closed somehow. Treated upper and lower
right and lower left. No release. No gag reflex/coughing. Still
tightness/stifness in head and neck. Gag reflex/coughing
somewhat in upper right. Preparation = none.
This time I tried inflating a bit in the turbine before pushing
throug. I did not like this as I felt like I got it through
properly. I'll stick to pushing it in before pumping slowly.
I haven't been using a lot of force when pumping. I've been
using small pumps until gaging, waiting for release/movement
which haven't come yet. I'm thinking there's something I need to
change in order to avoid messing stuff up, like the atlas
vertebrae or other bones.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Any help is more than welcome. There's no
NCR practioner in my country and I don't have much choice than
trying myself at the moment.
/Knoppe
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 1, 2014, 4:29 pm
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All right. So, I did my fourth self NCR-session today.
Warm up was 45 over head squats (with a broom stick) to get the
blood flowing.
I felt like treating my left side and so I did. Lower left
first. Didn't feel any release and I'm not sure I got it all the
way through. My left eye got a bit moist. I pumped a few times.
I then inflated in my upper left and I'm pretty sure I got it
because I started coughing quite early on during pumping. I
don't know if it's bad or good to cough and so I didn't push it.
I try to take it slowly and pump a bit.
My right TMJ acted up a bit before the session and it seems like
my right cheek bone decided to show itself. The both tend to pop
up and then dissapear again. It's been like this ever since I
started the orthodontic treatment. I'm up for changing the wire
and getting the ALF's tightened in a few weeks.
So, still no release. I'm going forward slowly and I'll probably
wait a couple of days before doing inflations again. Hopefully
I'll get release soon so that I know I'm doing it the right way.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 6, 2014, 12:38 pm
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I've been taking a bit of a break for the mast couple of days
due to having a cold. Clogged sinuses and a sore throat, nothing
fancy. I've been looking through some photos of me and noticed
that there in fact is an asymmetri between my left and right
side of my face. Which is normal and how it's supposed to be.
But, since I'm experiencing physical problems (TMJ and such) I
feel that perhaps some things are ment to be more symmetric. My
left side seems to be a bit lower than my right side and next to
the ridge of my nose there's a lumpy area on my righy side. At
first I thought it to be an anomaly of some sort but after
thinking it through for a bit, I decided that it's supposed to
be like that. My left side therefore needs to be lifted.
Pretreatment workout consisted of 30 air squats (couldn't be
arsed to do more seeing as I just had a cold ^_^).
In the upper turbinate on my left side the baloon went... and I
noticed that I couldn't get it through the nasal cavity. "Crap!"
I said to my self. "Let's do the lower turbine instead!" Alas, a
bit of a cough was all that I could produce.
And so I tried the upper RIGHT side. After having coughed for 2
min while carefully inflating the baloon, my ears got that
feeling you get when being under water. A small pop or crushing
sound might have made it's way out from somewhere in my head. My
ears still feel like that but it's ok because this time I
actually felt the baloon going into the throat. I tried
inflating trough the constant coughing but gave it a rest after
a while. The baloon keeps deflating while under preassure and I
had to make small but intense pumps to maintain some kind of
preassure.
I think I'm making progress. Damn the left side, though. I'm
wondering if only treating the right side might make the left
side worse. It seems like that side's closed up.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Ben
Date: January 6, 2014, 2:27 pm
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My finger cots leak a bit too, but it hasn't been a problem. I
use light to moderate pumps to get the balloon to the throat
then once I feel it hit the throat I go hard and expand it until
I gag then I get a good pressure release on the bulb, what do
you use for lube?.
I've noticed that every time I inflate in the upper right hand
side turbinate then I will sneeze intensely immediately after
the inflation, have you noticed anything like that?
The left hand side of my face is higher and less developed than
the right, if I open my mouth and look at my jaw it is higher on
the left hand side corresponding with the external asymmetry. My
head it twisted, long and narrow and around the temples is very
concaved. (your interested in occlusion right?)
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 6, 2014, 5:05 pm
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Ok, how do you know when you get to the throat? I get the
horrible coughing feeling, like somethings chocking me. No
gaging what so ever. I haven't sneezed yet but I think I'm still
in the turbines and inflating.
On a sidenote. I did facepulling after the session today and I
felt a lot more stetching from the mask. Even came to a point
where I felt it was too much, even though I use one rubber band.
I tried using two for a while on the right side but felt dizzy
after about 5 min.
Hmm, interesting. My bite seems leveled even though my face
clearly is "off balance". Have you noticed any improvements in
symmetri so far? Do you face pull?
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Ben
Date: January 6, 2014, 6:22 pm
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I don't think I've noticed any improvements in symmetry.
I do face pull, I think I use about 1-2kg of force applied
through 6x orthodontic rubber bands attached to my Hawley
retainer. It still doesn't feel like enough pull, although
sometimes it feels ok and I can feel it in my temples then.
I know it is in my throat because I can feel there is somewhere
for the balloon to expand into. I can feel the balloon travel
through the turbinate and pop out into the throat, it normally
at that point generates a cough then I keep pumping into the
throat and as the balloon goes down the throat I get more of a
gag, then I normally release the pressure.
I've had my jaw cut to pieces and the structure destroyed by an
incompetent surgeon though so who knows what is going to happen
for me. I'm doing this to try and obtain some kind of comfort in
my bite relationship which is a mess since I had jaw surgery + I
had some work done to me as a teen by a dentist doing
orthodontics he pulled all my teeth way back in to close the
cuspid extraction spaces now I smile like I'm toothless.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Ben
Date: January 6, 2014, 6:46 pm
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I don't like how that might read. I'm also doing FP and NCR for
a host of other perceived benefits to such as improvements to
looks and breathing.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 7, 2014, 1:49 am
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Yeah I see your point. I got what you ment. Simply doing what
you can with what you've got and hoping for the best :).
Ok, cool! Thanks for your input. I really can't feel it going
into my throat, even though I felt as if I made some progression
yesterday. I'm either using to short cots, have to big of a nose
or am too tight. I'm doing my best to get it to move through the
turbines and into the throat. Do you have any pointers for thsi?
It really sadens me to hear your story. I was so close to
getting jaw surgery 10 years ago. I realise now that I was so
lucky in having my problems ignored by the medical community
long enough for me to start making money and obtaining necessary
knowledge. I'm not a religious person but God knows what my
condition would've ended up like today. At least now I have a
"naturally" f*ed up head and teeth. I really feel fof you man, I
do. I don't know what can be done about the surgery in terms of
reversing it.
Have you considered professional help with reversing the
treatment? Have you talked to CP who used to post here? He's
made some pretty sweet progress in reversing previous
orthodontic treatment. Mr.Mew who's actually looking for
information on this forum might have some helping clues to how
to proceed. I know that Dr.Hang is good at reversing precious
teeth slaughtering.
Sorry for running off here. I know you're doing what you can on
your own. It just pisses me off to hear about these things. The
medical community killing people.
What gives me the most pain is the fact that I for so long was
led to belive that what I was feeling was normal or a part of
life. When I realised that I actually've been more or less
depressd since my late teens and also that the TMD and tinmitus
is a solid indicator of what my problems are I finally had a a
change of coming up with a game plan. Having spent so much time
trying to feel good about myself, exercising, sifting through
pick-up and self help when my actual problem wasn't in my head
but MY ACTUAL HEAD.
We're empowering ourselves by obtaining this knowledge. I see so
many of my friends going through the wringer for clear
cranio-facial reasons without realising how much of an impact
their condition actually has on THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. I'm hoping
for all of this to work for my own sake and for my friends'.
Chances are they'll fix their faces too if I succeed.
Ok, raning again. Sorry about that. It's the 40 min commute that
gives me too much alone time :P. Thank you for reading this and
for taking your time to help me out.
Peace!
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> I don't like how that might read. I'm also doing FP and NCR
for a host of other perceived benefits to such as improvements
to looks and breathing.
>
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--- Quote from: Ben link ---
>
> I don't like how that might read. I'm also doing FP and NCR
for a host of other perceived benefits to such as improvements
to looks and breathing.
>
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Ben
Date: January 8, 2014, 2:33 am
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I've only got 2 weeks experience with NCR but I'll try, hmm are
you using lube? I lube my finger cot up and I make sure I'm not
wasting any of its length when I attach it to my inflation bulb.
Even so I'm not sure if the length is that crucial since the
finger cot expands so much length wise with inflation.
I normally stuff the cot up the nasal passage as far as I can
with a tooth pick and make sure it isn't going to expand at the
entrance to my nostril too much since there is quite a lot more
space here and this is where the pressure will naturally want to
go if there is too much loose finger cot in this area. I use
gentler inflations to move the finger cot through the passages
to the throat and it is obvious when it gets there. I've got a
big nose (underdeveloped maxilla) and tight passages too and I'm
not having any trouble so far getting to the throat.
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Re: Knoppes' Self-NCR experiment
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 8, 2014, 4:05 am
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Hmm, interesting. Shouldn't be a problem for me either then. You
know what. I think it's the lube. What kind do you use? I tried
olive oil because of it's antifungal properties (might aswell
clean the house while at it ;P ). Maybe I should try usint a lot
more. Thanks for your reply!
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