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What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Walrus
Date: October 16, 2013, 2:49 pm
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Hey everyone,
In the hope that this is interesting to some, I'm going to
review what my experiences with cranial restructuring have
taught me.
Before I get started though:
***I DON'T ADVISE ANYONE TO IMITATE WHAT I AM DESCRIBING HERE.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO HURT YOURSELF WITH WHAT I DISCUSS HERE. I AM
MERELY PROVIDING INFORMATION, IT IS UP TO YOU WHAT YOU DO WITH
IT.***
The first thing to understand is that every one has a certain
genetic potential as to how their bone structure is meant to be.
What determines whether you achieve this is breathing habits
during your developmental years (childhood). One is supposed to
breath through their nose, with their tongue on the roof of the
mouth. It is the tongue which shapes the palate/dental arches.
The tongue is nature's natural face-pulling and palate expansion
device.
The second thing to understand is that this genetic potential
can still be achieved at any point in life. NCR, FP, and palate
expansion are the tools required to achieve this.
Here's my opinion on how these individual methods work:
NCR: By gently nudging the sphenoid bone located at the
top-back of the throat directly behind the nose, the sutures in
the skull are loosened. The benefits of this are twofold: 1.
The cranial bones can now settle into their optimal positions,
and 2. Loosening the cranial sutures greatly enhance the
achievable results from FP and palate expansion.
After 2-3 months of doing NCR everyday, I stopped seeing results
(the best indicator of results is the skull feeling sensitive in
areas where movement occured). My skull had reached its optimal
configuration. Genetic potential acheived!
FP: This is by far the simplest technique, but extremely
effective. All you are doing with face-pulling is moving
everything forward out of your airway. No new bone is being
built. This means there is no limit on how much face-pulling
you can do at once.
When you're face-pulling your skull should ache. Not serious
pain, but discomfort.
Once I realized this I did a lot of face-pulling over the course
of a few days. I experienced significant results. Up to that
point I had face-pulled only a few minutes each day and stopped
when things really started aching. I didn't realize the aching
was the sign of things moving! During the course of those few
days, eventually the aching stopped: My face was as far forward
as it was meant to be. I no longer FP because I no longer see
results. Genetic potential acheived!
Edit: After writing this I decided to try FP again for the
first time in several weeks. I found I am actually still seeing
results, just not as significant as before. Therefore I am
going to start up FP again! I will update this thread with my
progress.
The most amazing thing about FP: I believe maximum results can
be achieved in a very short period of time, maybe even a single
session. However since I have maximized my results I have no
way of testing this theory! Please exhibit caution if you
attempt FP! Don't hurt yourself.
Changes you will notice: Slightly stronger bone structure.
Better symmetry. Better breathing. The most tangible result I
found was that your singing voice will improve. Try singing
after FP and your voice will be a bit "off", but then will
adjust and be better than before.
A note on my FP technique: I used a mouthguard/shoelace device.
I wore gardening gloves for better grip and to protect my
hands. I would wrap the laces around my fingers and get them
right up to the mouthguard. I pulled using in a fast pulsating
manner rather than using a continuous force. I found this more
effective and much less tiring on the arms.
Palate expansion: This is something I am currently looking
into. I had bicuspid extractions as a child so my dental arches
are way too small. This has given me many problems, such as
scoliosis, TMJ (my mandible is crammed way back), breathing
problems, etc.. Of course all of this is very detrimental to
one's looks.
I have found an amazing orthodontist who specializes in ALF
orthodontics (If one is interested in palate expansion, I would
recommend ALF). The only problem is cost and time (this could
take over $25,000 over 3 years). The program would involve
using ALF to expand the dental arches, followed by damon braces
to create proper gaps in the teeth, then implants/bridges.
This is something I am going to do eventually, but it is not
feasible for me right now.
Finally, I modified my face-pulling device to make it stay in
the mouth better. There are a total of six holes. Here is a
picture:
HTML http://i.imgur.com/qswWrra.jpg
Feel free to provide questions or comments!
#Post#: 379--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Gaia
Date: October 21, 2013, 12:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Walrus link ---
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>
> Edit: After writing this I decided to try FP again for the
first time in several weeks. I found I am actually still seeing
results, just not as significant as before. Therefore I am
going to start up FP again! I will update this thread with my
progress.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I was gonna say! Since you've had bicuspid extractions and still
have difficulties breathing there should be some more room for
improvement. But you might also need some expansion of the
premaxilla, which is likely going to happen if you go to an ALF
orthodontist.
--- Quote ---
>
> After 2-3 months of doing NCR everyday, I stopped seeing
results (the best indicator of results is the skull feeling
sensitive in areas where movement occured). My skull had
reached its optimal configuration. Genetic potential acheived!
>
--- End Quote ---
Are you sure you've attained maximum results? Ben did over 100
treatments. Some say retraction orthodontics damages the face
like a car that gets a big dent from being hit. When you look at
your face/skull, are you satisfied with everything except the
palate? I believe NCR can help your lower jaw come forward as
well.
#Post#: 380--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: FebruaryRichard
Date: October 21, 2013, 11:06 pm
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Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal
expansion?
#Post#: 381--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Jay
Date: October 22, 2013, 1:24 pm
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How positive are you that FP actually produced tangible results?
I looked at Tyler's pictures and it's hard to tell if he
actually had results because of the drastic lighting differences
in his pictures.
Also, has your profile improved at all as a result of any of
these things? Do you have any pictures?
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Walrus
Date: October 24, 2013, 3:01 pm
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@Gaia: Yes, I've definitely achieved maximum results. Ben's
cranial problems were more severe that mine, which is largely
why his process took longer. My problems were with my maxilla
being too far back (which face-pulling corrected) and my dental
arches being much too small because of extractions (which I will
need to correct with ALF). NCR cannot fix these problems,
although it makes fixing them easier by loosening the sutures in
the skull.
@Jay: 100% positive. I agree, it is hard to tell from Tyler's
pictures, and no, sorry, I'm not comfortable posting pictures of
myself. You will have to try for yourself. However, if you are
looking to change your profile, it is palate expansion you are
looking for. Your mandible position is largely determined by
your bite (dental arches). For example, because of extractions
my dental arches are much too small, which forces my mandible to
sit way too far back. NCR and FP cannot fix this.
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: FebruaryRichard
Date: October 24, 2013, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: FebruaryRichard link ---
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> Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal
expansion?
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Jay
Date: October 24, 2013, 7:57 pm
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Did you notice an increase in symmetry? I would be completely
happy with my profile if the right side of my face came forward
a bit. That's also where I have TMJ
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Gaia
Date: October 25, 2013, 8:17 am
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--- Quote from: FebruaryRichard link ---
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> Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal
expansion?
>
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Plato suggests you contact this company but I haven't tried
them:
HTML http://www.kfo-soehngen.de/kfo_fachlabor_gisbert_soehngen_spangen.html
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: Andreas from Sweden
Date: December 16, 2013, 12:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Gaia link ---
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> [quote author=FebruaryRichard link=topic=53.msg380#msg380
date=1382414810]
> Do you guys think it could be possible to do self palatal
expansion?
>
--- End Quote ---
Plato suggests you contact this company but I haven't tried
them:
HTML http://www.kfo-soehngen.de/kfo_fachlabor_gisbert_soehngen_spangen.html
[/quote]
I have. The provider is a very friendly german woman. She sells
at least two types of orthodontic equipment. One is a mouthguard
(jaw shaper) which helps realign/broaden the dental arch by
chewing. The other is a german style applience with manual
screws. I tried both but didn't use them for too long since the
jaw shaper hurt my gums and the pallate expander further
misaligned my teeth.
My teeth where seriously f-ed up. I'm currently undergoing
expansion with an ALF-orthodontist and I'm happy so far (I have
upper and lower ALFs' aswell as bracers). I'm tracking my
progress with photos and I still have 12 months to go.
I imagine that face pulling and self NCR are a whole different
story than aligning teeth. If your only concern is widening of
the palate/dental arch I'd say go for it. Unless your mouth also
looks like a stack of matches on a crooked string. For me, my
TMD got excabarated through self-treatment which ultimatly was a
good thing since it forced me to get real help.
/Andreas
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Re: What I've Learnt (So Far) About Cranial Restructuring
DIR By: FebruaryRichard
Date: December 24, 2013, 8:37 am
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I have. The provider is a very friendly german woman. She sells
at least two types of orthodontic equipment. One is a mouthguard
(jaw shaper) which helps realign/broaden the dental arch by
chewing. The other is a german style applience with manual
screws. I tried both but didn't use them for too long since the
jaw shaper hurt my gums and the pallate expander further
misaligned my teeth.
My teeth where seriously f-ed up. I'm currently undergoing
expansion with an ALF-orthodontist and I'm happy so far (I have
upper and lower ALFs' aswell as bracers). I'm tracking my
progress with photos and I still have 12 months to go.
I imagine that face pulling and self NCR are a whole different
story than aligning teeth. If your only concern is widening of
the palate/dental arch I'd say go for it. Unless your mouth also
looks like a stack of matches on a crooked string. For me, my
TMD got excabarated through self-treatment which ultimatly was a
good thing since it forced me to get real help.
/Andreas
[/quote]
Do you know how you've come around to exacerbate your TMD?
Other than the one provided by Gaia, do you have any other
website(s) that sell them palatal expanders? It seems people in
Europe are much more aware of these kind of things.
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