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#Post#: 368--------------------------------------------------
Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and necessities/Some other
stuff
DIR By: Connor
Date: October 16, 2013, 2:42 am
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Hey all you devious go getters breaking the matrix and what not.
First let me say honestly with all your guys progress ive been
seeing and hearing about on here, its inspiring and really
amazing. By the heavens especially you Tyler me being quite the
fan of your posts. Facepulling makes undeniable results
especially when paired with NCR. So possibly this Topic will
serve as another guide to others and myself who are questioning
exactly what all their options are and what to get and acquire
before starting the process.
Anyway to the point and pre-story.
So I finally found someone who would make me a basic Hawley
retainer with hooks attached right behind the "eye" teeth. Which
im told by that man we all know and love Plato is all you would
need if you just wanted to "pull the face". My concern now is
that I've been facepulling for some smallish time now. I would
say two months. Experimenting with it and finding the best
angles and forces (and TV shows to pass the time that wont melt
my brain) to pull with. I definitely see minor very slowww
results just as of lately with my girlfriend saying I look extra
handsome more than usual (ahaaa and she has no idea) and me
coming up with wittier comments and comebacks also more than
usual ( whhhaaat? can I get an amen people?). Here's the thing
though, its almost to slow of results that I'm seeing and I'm
wondering if it may be because of the retainer that I'm using.
Since it only allows me to "pull" the face forward without
expanding the arches or upper palate (or does it?).
So basically what I'm pondering on is that is the basic Hawley
retainer doing any good since it only works on pulling forward
and does not change or expand with the arches or face. Or would
someone in such a boat require a more "flexible" retainer like
device or even Damon braces to get the full effect?
And yes some of you may think "Just message Plato dude" and I
have but I would like to share these thoughts with you fellows
considering how open minded many of you are for just merely
being here ;).
Happy Fall by the way!
#Post#: 369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and
necessities/Connors progress
DIR By: Gaia
Date: October 16, 2013, 10:28 am
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Interesting post!
I'm in the exact same position right now. I've been face pulling
for about 2 months and only seeing very minor changes, if any.
I'm using a Schwarz appliance which is similar to a retainer.
One thing I suspect is that I might not be pulling hard enough.
Isn't the risk of bending or breaking a retainer pretty big? I
was thinking of getting one of these so I don't have to worry
about breaking an expensive and hard to replace appliance:
HTML http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROTECTIVE-MOUTH-GUARD-STOP-NIGHT-TEETH-GRINDING-DENTAL-TMJ-BRUXISM-/151144629747?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2330ec05f3
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Maybe doing Walrus's shoelace device? I have PMed him but I
encourage him to join this thread. ;)
I pull until my teeth itch and ache a bit, similar to having
braces tightened. Maybe this still isn't enough and sometimes I
can't make it happen for some reason.
What minor changes are you seeing exactly? I might be seeing
something above my canines, it's like the cheekbone that goes
from above the upper lip and up along the side of my nose has
flared outwards. The dark crease next to my nose might also be
less pronounced. It's still possible that it's just my
imagination though.
I can see on myself and others who had their teeth/jaws
retracted with braces that my upper teeth are slanted inwards. I
assume they won't come out just by pulling the face, am I right?
Face pulling will pull forward the maxilla, not the actual
teeth? I want a nice flare so I can regain the lip support I had
as a child but maybe a sagittal expander will be required for
this purpose.
Happy fall to you too!
P.S. Tv shows, yes! Lol! I always happen to watch How I met your
mother. (I live in Europe.)
#Post#: 371--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and
necessities/Connors progress
DIR By: Connor
Date: October 17, 2013, 3:15 am
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[left]I saw walruses shoe lace device it was nifty and creative,
but to myself, I feel like even though it may be giving the
impression that lots of progress is occurring, that eventually
that progress may come to a halt and lack a solid "base" if that
makes sense, because your pulling the face out harder & faster
than the body can respond (idk if hes updated his method but the
last time I checked he was pulling quite hard) . Which now makes
sense as to why diet is so important especially the magnesium
and the K2 for the bone growth, which I talked to Kevin (worked
side by side with Dr howell for some time and one of first to
use facepulling mask) and it actually can and does occur. Take a
look at these posts from the fellow Kevin here. He got ahead of
himself and was pulling more than necessary and progress halted.
He then ended up having to wait 6 months for his body to catch
up. The blog has tons of info on facial remodeling.
HTML http://orgoneproducts.org/blog/category/neuro-cranial-restructuring/<br
/>
From what I understand you must pull light enough so you don't
feel your body resisting but using enough force so you actually
feel something but no real major discomfort.
Also ive never been to worried about the retainer breaking I've
never heard of anyone's breaking so maybe that's why. I for some
odd reason have faith in those ity bity heavy steel wires
probably because of the name ;).
As for specifics on results I've been experiencing my smile
verrrryyy slightly leveling where as before it wasn't so much. I
also think (notice the word think not know) my cheekbones are
coming out, but its so damn hard to tell even with before and
after pictures haha. I've also noticed my face widening around
my eyes which I accredit to Ben's self treatment protocol
(thank you man so much for all your successful efforts and this
site) and Dr. Koichi Miyashita, NCR practioner and Acupuncturist
who I highly recommend to anyone living near San Francisco area
in search of a NCR man or Acupuncture.
In all honesty Gaia I think to really achieve the results you
and I are looking for and anyone else out there, were going to
need these 3 things as almost a must have, those being 1. NCR
2.Facepulling 3. Some sort of palate expanding device that works
with the skull without brutally forcing it to do anything (ALF,
Homeoblock, Damon, or DNA,). The ones that have combined those
three were the ones I've seen with the most insane progress but
also sort of needed all three to unlock everything in their
bodies. Another thing is, some people really don't need one or
the other so that may also be why you may hear "Well I didn't
need a palate expanding anything Connor and my face turned out
great!". Which is awesome and that may have been all they needed
since their problems were different then lets say "Fred's" over
here who not only needed the three listed above but also someone
to fix his neck and spine issues because they were impeding any
further progress for him. Im not sure if this all makes sense
but hopefully you get drift and can share along.[/left]
Finishing up this post...I honestly wouldn't know about your
slanted inward teeth but sure as hell would not be surprised if
facepulling combined with the others, fixes it eventually.
Especially once you figure out your own unique "protocol" so to
say, that we all must find. Have faith my friend!
And back to T.V. shows...How I met your mother is a good one I
haven't seen to many but the ones I have seen are pretty dang
funny. I've been watching Palladia music station and the live
performances on there mostly. They have some great shows and
live covers on there if your really into your music ;D
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Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and
necessities/Connors progress
DIR By: Connor
Date: October 17, 2013, 3:22 am
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Awe darn It bleeped out Koichis last name. Poor guy
moment....Koichi Miya$hita (sheeta) for anyone wondering.
#Post#: 378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and necessities/Some
other stuff
DIR By: Gaia
Date: October 21, 2013, 12:09 pm
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Great reply, Connor!
Have you seen before and after pictures of Kevin by any chance?
If so, what did you notice?
What does it mean that the smile "levels"? I keep hearing this a
lot. Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. ;)
I totally agree about the things that are needed. I do think the
choice of practitioner matters a lot though. Some orthos are
very cautious and will claim that you can't make that big of a
difference once you've stopped growing.
Some patients and functional orthos will also think an orthotic
splint is necessary for those who have a retracted mandible.
Yes, Walrus might want to read what you said about not pulling
to hard or progressing too quickly. Judging from his posts I
think it might be possible for him to improve some more.
#Post#: 384--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and necessities/Some
other stuff
DIR By: Walrus
Date: October 24, 2013, 3:29 pm
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Hey Connor, Gaia,
Just a quick response as to the reasoning behind my method.
When I first began FP, I followed Kevin's blog exactly:
light-pulling, limited amount per day, using the mask/retainer,
etc.. No results
My method I developed from experience: it gave me results.
That is all.
With face-pulling, I believe no new bone is being developed (in
contrary to Kevin's blog). It is more similar to NCR it that it
reconfigures the skull. It moves the bone you have, it doesn't
build new bone. This means the only limit is how much your body
can take at a time.
An example of a process that builds new bone is palate
expansion. This is why it needs to be done at a controlled
rate, or teeth will simply tip.
#Post#: 511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling Tools, hardware, devices, and necessities/Some
other stuff
DIR By: Knoppe
Date: January 3, 2014, 3:45 am
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I'm with Walrus on this. Facepulling and NCR seems more like
straightening/re-aligning cranial bones like putting preassure
in a crushed beer can. Palate expansion through appliances or
braces will grow new bone if done slowly. It takes time for new
bone to grow.
About aligning the bite. I have a hard time seeing how
facepulling or NCR can affect the dental arches. If suffering
from an over jet (meaning that the upper teeth are flared out,
forward) bracers seem like the way to go. Self litigating ones
where the dental arch is developed outwards, that is.
I belive that the methods are great compliments to eachother.
That's why practitioners have begun working together. Release of
the connective tissue with NCR helps bracers/expansion plates to
do their job properly.
If one has narrow dental arches (v-shaped instead of u-shaped)
then orthodontic treatment will solve this. Note. NONE
extraction, self litigating and outward moving of the teeth. As
Walrus says, this has to be done in a slow fashion to avoid
tiping of the teeth and to promote bone growth.
Check CP:s blog out. He mentions that he has to wear his
applience 24/7 for the suture not to close up since he's done
aggressive expansion of the palatte. The theory is that
expansion will cement itself after a while.
I also belive, seeing as I'm a bit fan of Dr.Weston E Price's
work, that nutrition is a key component in facial restructuring
to optimize new bone growth and keeping the connective tissue
healthy. I just don't know what protocol to follow yet. For now,
I'm following a Ray Peatish style of eating. Just need to work
up the nerve to push through my disdain for eating liver.
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