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Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 12, 2017, 4:02 pm
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It seems to fit perfectly into the collective philosophy we all
have about getting expansion and forward growth - it just
mimicks proper tongue posture 24/7 and tries to do it in such a
way that the patient can heal themselves by releasing the
cranial bones allowing growth at the sutures (according to their
official website and multiple dentists online). Combined with
NCR this seems like the magic bullet to have the face grow how
it was supposed to. I'm trying not to get over exited but I'm
pretty exited
I've got an appointment tomorrow to ask about it, I'm still very
weary about trusting dentists but since I have had extractions
it seems that this may be helpful: My tongue doesn't maintain
pressure at night because of palate size, so my results are
super slow. Having the appliance up there 24/7 pushing out and
forward gently should help.
I'll let you guys know what happens. But does anyone have
experience with the appliance, or opinions? I've searched the
forum and seen positive reviews.
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: Brosem1987
Date: July 13, 2017, 9:46 am
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The ALF sounds great, but it's ridiculously expensive.
I guess it depends who your dentist or Ortho is, but I was
quoted 8k total for both upper and lower.
Plus 200+ for every adjustment 2 weeks.
Plus all of the starting requirements such as 3D xray scans +
recommend ling + lab frenects.
Plus the advised osteopatic adjustment 200+ every month.
I was advised to that ALF can take a while several years plus.
My estimate 15-30 grand.
Unless you can diy ALF and do everything yourself like people
seem to be doing with the bracesshop, or you have an amaz
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 13, 2017, 6:43 pm
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I just got done the consultation. He says the ALF isn't enough
force for me right now, he can finish with it but he needs to
start with an acrylic expander.
And it'll take ~2 years. I think I'm just going to buy an
expander
Of course, the day I find this out is the day that BracesShop
stops taking orders until July 27. Can you believe that luck? I
suppose I'll just wait, unless anyone knows an alternative to
that website
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: reenochrobinson
Date: July 13, 2017, 11:20 pm
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--- Quote from: TheGreatWork link ---
>
> I just got done the consultation. He says the ALF isn't enough
force for me right now, he can finish with it but he needs to
start with an acrylic expander.
>
> And it'll take ~2 years. I think I'm just going to buy an
expander
>
> Of course, the day I find this out is the day that BracesShop
stops taking orders until July 27. Can you believe that luck? I
suppose I'll just wait, unless anyone knows an alternative to
that website
>
--- End Quote ---
If you found an ortho who's willing to oversee your treatment,
why not get the acrylic expander from him?
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 14, 2017, 1:27 pm
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$8500 vs $250. It's $1000 alone to do all the imaging and tests
before he'll order an expander.
Or is it possible to just ask the ortho to make you a device and
let you do it yourself?
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: reenochrobinson
Date: July 14, 2017, 4:04 pm
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--- Quote from: TheGreatWork link ---
>
> $8500 vs $250. It's $1000 alone to do all the imaging and
tests before he'll order an expander.
>
> Or is it possible to just ask the ortho to make you a device
and let you do it yourself?
>
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No, I'm sure they wouldn't order the device for you without the
initial workup and the expectation that they would be monitoring
your treatment. The cost is definitely a factor, but I think I
would feel better having someone who ostensibly knows what they
are doing, if they are philosophically on board with your goals,
to help if something goes wrong or to reassure you that you're
doing it right. Even if everything goes smoothly, you might
require some minor corrections to get all of the teeth aligned
after you are done with the expander. If I could find the right
orthodontist and could afford the treatment, I think that's what
I would do.
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 14, 2017, 6:44 pm
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I'm on board with what you're saying, the dentist has the same
philosophy 99% of what I'm looking for.
However, Mike Mew says he tries to expand ~1mm per week in
adults, saying that this rate of change (or near it) is not only
fully possible but best for transferring the force through the
entire skull so all bones (like cheekbones and upper maxilla)
will grow and shift during the expansion.
The dentists I have consulted who subscribe to adult palate
expansion (anywhere) don't do this rate, they do it very slowly
to so that you only come in once a month and they can monitor a
bunch of cases slowly over time. This causes (according to
theories) the aloveor process to be re-shaped by the local force
but isn't enough force/time (ie impulse in physics) to travel to
a wider area and cause growth at multiple skull sutures.
That is to say, they push hard and slow enough to cause the
mouth to respond, but not enough to cause the entire skull to
respond along with it
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Re: Any experiences with the ALF appliance?
DIR By: reenochrobinson
Date: July 14, 2017, 7:09 pm
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--- Quote from: TheGreatWork link ---
>
> I'm on board with what you're saying, the dentist has the same
philosophy 99% of what I'm looking for.
>
> However, Mike Mew says he tries to expand ~1mm per week in
adults, saying that this rate of change (or near it) is not only
fully possible but best for transferring the force through the
entire skull so all bones (like cheekbones and upper maxilla)
will grow and shift during the expansion.
>
> The dentists I have consulted who subscribe to adult palate
expansion (anywhere) don't do this rate, they do it very slowly
to so that you only come in once a month and they can monitor a
bunch of cases slowly over time. This causes (according to
theories) the aloveor process to be re-shaped by the local force
but isn't enough force/time (ie impulse in physics) to travel to
a wider area and cause growth at multiple skull sutures.
>
> That is to say, they push hard and slow enough to cause the
mouth to respond, but not enough to cause the entire skull to
respond along with it
>
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It sounds like you've really thought this through. I think
orthodontists sometimes make adjustments to the wires on the
expander to try and align the teeth as the arch expands and
sometimes grind down some of the acrylic as the palate becomes
less vaulted. Asdfasdf123's old thread seems to have been
removed where he reported that the "amateur" expander maxes out
around 8mm. I wonder if the appliances you would get from an
orthodontist would offer more expansion. I suppose if you needed
more you could always order a second expander with new
impressions, but the lag time between finishing the first round
of expansion and starting a second might be an issue. Did the
orthodontist you consulted with say anything about expanding the
bottom arch? My bottom teeth seem to be tilted inward a bit in
the back and have some crowding in the front. I feel like a
bottom expander might be helpful for me, but others have
suggested that the bottom will adjust on its own after the top
is expanded. Anyway, good luck if you decide to proceed with
self-treatment, and please let us know how it goes!
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