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#Post#: 2338--------------------------------------------------
Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 5, 2017, 11:28 am
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I have been using the pressure of my tongue for about a year, I
can push with sufficient pressure to actually feel it in my
cheekbones. When pushing my tongue outward at both sides, the
teeth begin to hurt in the same way that I am told braces do,
indicating sufficient force. The right side of my maxilla is
lower than the left (also evidenced by the right eye being
lower), and when I mew hard I feel it entirely on the right side
including under the eye and near the hairline - meaning the
tongue pressure IS being transferred through the skull
I do believe I am getting results, but they are slow, and I
think this is a result of the facial bones resisting movement
against other bones (I can feel tension along the sutures around
the face and cheekbones when I push hard all day).
Thus, I will be going in for NCR which should remove this
roadblock and allow the upward and forward movement of the
maxilla which I seek, and well as rotation to fix the assymmetry
I feel that my tongue is producing great force, but as with all
things that take time I am beseiged with doubt. Is the tongue
enough to produce results, or does one need to facepull/use a
palate expander. What are your opinions? As anyone seen results
with mewing and NCR together?
I have an underbite as well, so my tongue is balled up and able
to apply even more force than if I had an overbite or normal
alignment
If I have progress, this forum will hear about it
#Post#: 2339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: Progress
Date: July 5, 2017, 12:35 pm
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--- Quote from: TheGreatWork link ---
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>
> I feel that my tongue is producing great force, but as with
all things that take time I am beseiged with doubt. Is the
tongue enough to produce results, or does one need to
facepull/use a palate expander. What are your opinions? As
anyone seen results with mewing and NCR together?
>
>
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I'm in the process of attempting to produce structural changes
without using anything else than the body's own anatomical
function. Like you, I've achived SOME palatal expansion with the
tongue, so the real question is: are significant results
achievable without appliances and devices? It should be. I
strongly believe so. I've been in contact with people who claim
to have experienced improved skeletal symmetry and structure
after getting the whole body into anatomical & functional
harmony and alignment by fixing postural imbalances. While
there's no way to know if these people are telling the truth,
what they talk about makes sense. In a sense, the skeleton
adapts to the forces generated by the surrounding musculature.
Having lacking range of motion anywhere in the posterior or
anterior chain forces the skeleton into positions that aren't
"neutral", meaning that the body can't and doesn't neutralize
its own pull against itself (kind of like pushing a fragile
tower with equal forces from opposing sides results in zero
movement). A straight body stands effortlessly and gracefully
just by keeping the correct muscles active, whereas a body with
limited range of motion has to forcibly fight against the pull
of gravity. So the postural chain has to compensate in some way.
And then this compensation has to be compensated in another way
and so on. Eventually you get a posture that is imbalanced all
the way from the head to the toes.
In other words, everything has to work in unison, because one
weak link will compromise the function of the whole chain. The
tongue is only one link in chain. In fact, I will go as far as
saying that awareness of the tongue is IRRELEVANT when
everything else is about your posture is working well. If you
feel like you NEED to focus on the tongue in order to maintain
the tongue posture, the actual problem lies somewhere else, like
tight hips or forward head.
Likewise, if you suddenly stop achieving results, there's
probably tightness somewhere in the postural chain that is
preventing further progress. A loose and relaxed musculature
leads to less resistance.
To end with a question: Are you able to feel the lower wings of
the sphenoid bone above your soft palate, behind the hard palate
/ wisdom teeth? Would you say that your tongue pushes against
these wings during mewing, or solely against the hard palate?
--- Quote from: TheGreatWork link ---
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> If I have progress, this forum will hear about it
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Wish you the best and looking forward to hearing from you.
#Post#: 2348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: Alnic22
Date: July 7, 2017, 5:09 pm
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Yo.
The Tongue used properly is more than sufficient for expansion,
it must be emphasied thou that adult bones are much more
resilient to growth as opposed to a teenagers.
Youll know when your doing this right as you will feel slight
discomfort/pressure in your ears from the pushing.
Changes from this may only be 1 or 2mm and may take upwards of
3+ years in an adult, i know this because ive gained 1mm in 2
years and am 37 yrs old, it works and takes time.
#Post#: 2350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: TheGreatWork
Date: July 7, 2017, 5:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Alnic22 link ---
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> Yo.
>
> The Tongue used properly is more than sufficient for
expansion, it must be emphasied thou that adult bones are much
more resilient to growth as opposed to a teenagers.
> Youll know when your doing this right as you will feel slight
discomfort/pressure in your ears from the pushing.
> Changes from this may only be 1 or 2mm and may take upwards of
3+ years in an adult, i know this because ive gained 1mm in 2
years and am 37 yrs old, it works and takes time.
>
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I'm glad to hear about your results, I hope the improvement has
been great for your health. Definitely feel that pressure in my
ears when I mew, usually by around 6PM every day.
No doubt that the skull will change shape over time with correct
force, I am looking for ways in which to speed the process up
for adults. Have you done any NCR/endonasal?
Although it makes complete sense that the skull's shape SHOULD
only change slowly (Rapid change would cause issues) I don't see
why the body couldn't adapt to ~2-3mm a year of changes here. I
have heard claims of up to 5mm maxilla advancement with NCR and
facepulling (unverified, via the Orgoneproducts website IIRC).
On top of mewing/tongue posture are you trying anything else?
#Post#: 2354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: Alnic22
Date: July 7, 2017, 7:49 pm
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Because my maxilla has expanded adequently as it is bein nearly
58mm in width ( from middle of molar surface to other molar )
but even with that id like more particularly more forward
growth.
If i bought an expander id likely need a retainer bt i aint the
first clue how id do this with supervision from an ortho n no
ortho would help me with my upper archs width already suffcient.
Am kind of stuck in position that id like more forward growth bt
no ortho wud help me and bit wearly of attemptin meself in case
i fuck up, like i say your tongue will do it anyways jus slower
for me.
#Post#: 2369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Using the tongue for expansion and advancement
DIR By: TheNo0n3
Date: July 9, 2017, 3:50 am
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> [quote author=Alnic22 link=topic=296.msg2348#msg2348
date=1499465376]
> Yo.
>
> The Tongue used properly is more than sufficient for
expansion, it must be emphasied thou that adult bones are much
more resilient to growth as opposed to a teenagers.
> Youll know when your doing this right as you will feel slight
discomfort/pressure in your ears from the pushing.
> Changes from this may only be 1 or 2mm and may take upwards of
3+ years in an adult, i know this because ive gained 1mm in 2
years and am 37 yrs old, it works and takes time.
>
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Why use the tongue when you could just buy an expander? I'm
closing in on 8 mm on my expander and it's only been a month and
a half.
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Expander's force is only sideways plus I have this theory and am
kinda standing behind it, that expander makes faces flatter,
because it lacks forward pushing force, like for example you
open a book.
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