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#Post#: 2192--------------------------------------------------
Class II mandible (set back lower jaw).Deep bite.Long face.What
are the options?
DIR By: jamone
Date: June 6, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Hi guys
Growing up I had what you would class as 'goofy teeth'. Was told
by the dentist I needed to wait until all my adult teeth had
come through before he could put me in braces. Around the age of
12 he extracted some upper molars to create space and then gave
me this removable appliance/brace which had had elastic bands
that fitted around the front teeth instead of wires. The rubber
bands were not fitted with any metal at all and would often slip
up or down my front teeth. Seemed like a cheap bit of kit and to
this day I have never seen one like it although I have regularly
seen elastic bands attach to the bottom-top jaw on the inside of
traditional metal braces.
Anyway, that was years ago now. I decided I wanted to fix my
problem so did some research on the internet. Read about a lot
about palate expansion, NCR, face pulling etc. Tracked down a
dentist fairly close to where I work who offered the ALF and
even though he was an orthodontist, his philosophy was teeth
shouldn't be removed until last resort. I was so pumped because
I thought i'd found the solution in palate expansion and
somebody to do the work.
I obviously went to his surgery armed with a bit of knowledge
about palate expansion etc so I could gauge if he knew what he
was talking about. And he did to an extent. He had used ALF on
himself as well. Took the moulds and x-ray. Told me I had a
class II mandible (set back lower jaw), a deep bite, spaces
between upper front teeth and although they feel proclined- the
radiograph and analysis showed that they are almost correct,
possibly retroclined (leaning back). The models showed that the
maxilla and mandible are under developed in the transverse
section (by about 3mm).
I also wanted to increase my facial width to help balance out my
long face, asked him about face pulling and would this all help
my recessed chin. At this point he seemed a bit out of his
element but he said he'd look into it and if he felt comfortable
he would do it. Got the dental plan and boy was it a
disappointment. I'd never seen one before so had no idea how
detailed they were suppose to be but it seemed quite basic. No
mention of anything other than ALF for expansion for around 9
months and then later fixed braces or Invisalign. If anyone
wants to see the plan then PM me.
Didn't feel 100% comfortable with going ahead with that ortho as
I wanted the best results possible and I am willing to do
whatever it takes to get them. Here's the thing though- I don't
know what procedures will get the best results and who does
them. I'm 30 now and time is ticking. It's eating away at me. I
was all for the natural approach but realistically would surgery
offer the best results?
I keep reading about the great things Mike Mew is doing but
that's mainly for Children. I know he has made improvements with
adult patients but is he 'the guy' and has any adult patients on
here had any experience with him? Is it too late for me to get
strong results from the holistic approach with everything ive
said?
I just don't know what to do for the best, who i can trust. Any
guidance would be much appreciated.
Thanks for reading
#Post#: 2201--------------------------------------------------
Re: Class II mandible (set back lower jaw).Deep bite.Long
face.What are the options?
DIR By: Progress
Date: June 9, 2017, 10:31 am
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This is something you have to decide for yourself. A holistic
approach does change you to certain extent in the long term and
is extremely safe. On the other hand surgery does change you a
significantly in the short term but is risky. You could also
schedule surgery to 6-12 months from now, spend this time to
improve as much as possible holistically, and then depending on
the results either go to the surgery or cancel it.
#Post#: 2250--------------------------------------------------
Re: Class II mandible (set back lower jaw).Deep bite.Long
face.What are the options?
DIR By: Ryan
Date: June 20, 2017, 11:12 am
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i'd try faecpulling for a few months, and see if the results you
see satisfy you enough. I was hooked when i started facepulling!
I always wanted to 'fix' things that did not seem right (like in
your head you know what things are supposed to look like) but I
found most unnatural methods the same as regular Medicine. Not
aimed at fixing the root, but aimed on fixing the end result,
meaning the root problem is usually not taken away, and the
possible impact of the things you're doing (like surgery) in the
future is uncertain. I agree that it's better to try things like
facepulling before, because even though I could see the problem
was not fixed in some weeks, I definately saw changes and the
whole face changes in a harmonic way. That is maybe the biggest
good side about natural approaches, they make changes that look
NATURAL and keep the harmonics of the face well, and most
possibily improved. The thing with surgery is that it can look
fake, or even if it does not look really fake, something about
the harmonics of the face seems off, in a way that makes the
face looks like it had plastic surgery. My face was pretty thin
and long, and now while its still not compact, my jaws and even
next to my eyes I my face has expanded, making my face seem alot
more logic. Also i got rid of tired eyes (were droopy now
horizontal) and i actually have somewhat cheeks now, which i
totally lacked before. I've not done enough of facepuling
lately though!
#Post#: 2253--------------------------------------------------
Re: Class II mandible (set back lower jaw).Deep bite.Long
face.What are the options?
DIR By: posmo
Date: June 20, 2017, 8:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Ryan link ---
>
> i'd try faecpulling for a few months, and see if the results
you see satisfy you enough. I was hooked when i started
facepulling! I always wanted to 'fix' things that did not seem
right (like in your head you know what things are supposed to
look like) but I found most unnatural methods the same as
regular Medicine. Not aimed at fixing the root, but aimed on
fixing the end result, meaning the root problem is usually not
taken away, and the possible impact of the things you're doing
(like surgery) in the future is uncertain. I agree that it's
better to try things like facepulling before, because even
though I could see the problem was not fixed in some weeks, I
definately saw changes and the whole face changes in a harmonic
way. That is maybe the biggest good side about natural
approaches, they make changes that look NATURAL and keep the
harmonics of the face well, and most possibily improved. The
thing with surgery is that it can look fake, or even if it does
not look really fake, something about the harmonics of the face
seems off, in a way that makes the face looks like it had
plastic surgery. My face was pretty thin and long, and now while
its still not compact, my jaws and even next to my eyes I my
face has expanded, making my face seem alot more logic. Also i
got rid of tired eyes (were droopy now horizontal) and i
actually have somewhat cheeks now, which i totally lacked
before. I've not done enough of facepuling lately though!
>
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what method do you use to facepull, and could you explain it?
#Post#: 2265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Class II mandible (set back lower jaw).Deep bite.Long
face.What are the options?
DIR By: jamone
Date: June 26, 2017, 12:19 pm
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Can the face pulling and palate expansion method fix a set back
lower jaw though???
All the benefits to face pulling sound great but if I'm still
left with a recessed chin then my profile is still messed up...
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