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#Post#: 1982--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 27, 2017, 1:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Progress link ---
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>
> Besides, not a single facepulling device is anchored on the
mandible. Bringing maxilla forward is enough to "bring
everything forward", which is why all devices focus on that.
Mandible merely follows the upper jaw and remodels itself
according to the needs of the bite.
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What? the reverse pull headgear anchors on the mandible... And
your right looking at the photo again i don't see any recession
in mandible. BUT Below is a passage from the crane website,
"Unlike facemasks, this device revolutionizes forward pull by
NOT pushing on the cranial bones, mandible or facial bones. the
CRANE delivers precise forces to quickly achieve amazing results
without surgery. the CRANE is more effective than traditional
methods of forward pull because it's not using the mandible
(considered an anatomical joint) and facial bones (also subject
to being pushed in or moved) to "move" the maxilla forward.
Question: Do current methods of reverse pull the maxilla and
facial bones out OR are the mandible and facial bones actually
being pushed in? "
#Post#: 1983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: Progress
Date: April 27, 2017, 2:19 pm
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Ah yeah, I misunderstood the issue you were talking about. I
thought that by talking about anchoring you were referring to
the pulling force that is anchored to the braces/appliance on
the upper dental arch.
Yes, that may be an issue, at least for children whose bones are
still very malleable.
#Post#: 1985--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: MJON
Date: April 28, 2017, 2:23 pm
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Skull I understand, no disputing she looks better in the second
picture though, so obviously the face pulling has worked!
Slamo28 I've looked into the Crane and the neck brace seems real
bulky, I was hoping to wear any face pulling appliance overnight
but I doubt I'd be able to with that. I know the guy on
facpulling.com has made his own but I'm not sure if I have to
skills for that.
I see what you mean about the mandible as well, I think she
should have carried on face pulling with something that didnt
push the lower jaw and perhaps at a more forward angle, as this
would have fixed the gummy smile which is a sign of a recessed
maxilla I believe?
I'm hoping to book an assessment with an orthodontist in these
next coming months to begin treatment.. I'm not 100% sure my
reading is accurate but my interior molar width is 30mm which I
believe is small considering I have 28 teeth?
Lastly, what appliance do we think is more effective? CP got
results using a bulky acrylic palate expander, and I already
have one of those (but not yet a treatment plan), but I like the
idea of the ALF because it's constant and can be paired with
myofunctional therapy which is better in the long run. I'm
considering using ALF to expand then once expanded have braces
(maybe damon for even more axpansion?) and facepull whilst
having braces with my palate expandre, or even whilst wearing
the ALF.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJBkX9FTLQ
video of results
with homeoblock
Any advice would be great guys :)
#Post#: 1988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: MeltedFace
Date: April 29, 2017, 1:14 am
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Hi! No expert advice but I do appreciate the video - it's really
encouraging :)
#Post#: 1989--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 29, 2017, 2:53 pm
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--- Quote from: MJON link ---
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>
> Lastly, what appliance do we think is more effective? CP got
results using a bulky acrylic palate expander, and I already
have one of those (but not yet a treatment plan), but I like the
idea of the ALF because it's constant and can be paired with
myofunctional therapy which is better in the long run.
>
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I would probably go with the ALF so that you can practice proper
oral posture while undergoing treatment. Although any expander
is good just make sure you practice myofunctional therapy
directly after treatment.
--- Quote from: Selina93 link ---
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> GuysI will propose to my ortho to use Crane on me, wish me
good luck and if he does agree (and I do not live in any capital
or big city) well it could be taken as living example of the
fact that is not necessary to travel worldwide to have a Crane
treatment done. Fly in America is like madness for someone who
lives in any other part of the world. Tons of money..
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Let us know what he says. One ortho i called had different rates
for different services. He said $625 for him to oversee the
entire crane treatment, and another amount (he didnt say) for
them to just provide it along with modified retainers.
#Post#: 1993--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: PaperBag
Date: April 30, 2017, 2:15 am
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--- Quote from: slamo28 link ---
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> Let us know what he says. One ortho i called had different
rates for different services. He said $625 for him to oversee
the entire crane treatment, and another amount (he didnt say)
for them to just provide it along with modified retainers.
>
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Do you mean retainers related to the Crane treatment? I emailed
the Crane people a few days ago asking if a retainer is used for
pulling with the Crane and they said the suggested appliance was
a reverse pull version of ALF. (I'm trying to attach a photo of
it, but keep getting an error message)
#Post#: 1994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 30, 2017, 2:01 pm
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--- Quote from: PaperBag link ---
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> [quote author=slamo28 link=topic=260.msg1989#msg1989
date=1493495612]
> Let us know what he says. One ortho i called had different
rates for different services. He said $625 for him to oversee
the entire crane treatment, and another amount (he didnt say)
for them to just provide it along with modified retainers.
>
--- End Quote ---
Do you mean retainers related to the Crane treatment? I emailed
the Crane people a few days ago asking if a retainer is used for
pulling with the Crane and they said the suggested appliance was
a reverse pull version of ALF. (I'm trying to attach a photo of
it, but keep getting an error message)
[/quote]
yes i do mean retainers related the Cranee. they told me i could
use a retainer with hooks attached to it. But yea the usually
use ALF. really wanna see that phot. if your pulling image from
a website then right click, copy image location, click insert
image right below BOLD button, then paste image location in
between prompt.
#Post#: 1997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: PaperBag
Date: May 1, 2017, 1:42 am
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A modified retainer would be preferable, if that could be used
instead of the ALF. I couldn't confirm it because there wasn't a
whole lot of info, but I thought I heard that ALF requires those
headgear posts (whatever the correct term is) bonded around your
teeth?
The Crane employee I emailed didn't reply when I asked if
there's any more patient before/after photos besides X-rays,
which was very disappointing considering the "years of testing"
their site proclaims.
Trying to attach the photo keeps bringing up a message saying
"the upload folder is full", so here it is:
HTML https://i.gyazo.com/9fcc05dfa88f67e5857a5b5cdaf5351b.png
#Post#: 2008--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: slamo28
Date: May 1, 2017, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: PaperBag link ---
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> A modified retainer would be preferable, if that could be used
instead of the ALF. I couldn't confirm it because there wasn't a
whole lot of info, but I thought I heard that ALF requires those
headgear posts (whatever the correct term is) bonded around your
teeth?
>
> The Crane employee I emailed didn't reply when I asked if
there's any more patient before/after photos besides X-rays,
which was very disappointing considering the "years of testing"
their site proclaims.
>
>
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Yea this is all you need for the crane. Also, strangely im not
surprised there are no before and after pics. The crane needs to
be worn at night and i know for a fact peoples sleep habits are
poor already. The lady i talked to said one has to teach his or
herself to sleep on their back for this treatment to work. for
the average person who curls up into a ball at night, sleeping
on their back will most likely be so uncomfortable that they say
**** it and give up. Throw a crane in the mix and forget it. BUT
my hypothesis is once someone fixes their head posture and can
sleep on their back without ANY PILLOWS (which i have done), the
crane should would perfectly. Anyone who has the crane, is this
wishful thinking or does this sound practical?
#Post#: 2010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
DIR By: Progress
Date: May 1, 2017, 3:14 pm
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--- Quote from: slamo28 link ---
>
> BUT my hypothesis is once someone fixes their head posture and
can sleep on their back without ANY PILLOWS (which i have done),
the crane should would perfectly. Anyone who has the crane, is
this wishful thinking or does this sound practical?
>
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I agree that with correctly forward grown bone structure it
should be possible, and perhaps even optimal. Do you find it
easy to breathe while sleeping on your back without a pillow? I
find sleep apnea and heavy snoring unavoidable when sleeping on
back, even after using pillows to elevate the head and neck.
It seems that even Native Americans - whose skulls neared
perfection - didn't sleep without a pillow. Yet considering the
evolution of the modern human it should be reasonable to assume
that man spent majority of this lengthy period sleeping without
a pillow, especially before becoming self-aware enough to start
utilizing complex tools. All animals in the nature have their
own proper growth ensuring natural sleeping positions that can
be achieved without any extra props. It wouldn't make sense to
believe that the modern human would've evolved to need a pillow
for sleep either. Instead, it was probably something that was
picked up over time to compensate for improper structure and
form.
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