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Ineresting Pictures
By: slamo28 Date: April 21, 2017, 11:23 pm
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This girl widened with oral appliance then face pulled with the
reverse pull headgear. Would've been better to use The crane
because the reverse pull headgear basically does exactly what
its name says. It reverses lower jaw growth but it makes the
profile look proportionate.
BEFORE
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AFTER
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Ive said before the effects of Oral posutre is Lower jaw coming
forward and Widening of palate. nothing else.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: slamo28 Date: April 22, 2017, 2:38 pm
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[quote author=Selina93 link=topic=260.msg1958#msg1958
date=1492877806]
. about the Crane I always saw how the pulling seems very
downward, it could be a risk of lengthening the face more. It
should be adjusted to push at least front forward.
[/quote]
I'm glad you brought this up up. I believe that pulling downward
is exactly what you want because if you have proper head posture
you'll notice that your face is angled more towards the floor
that straight ahead. Your tongue will act as the upward force
balancing everything out. Was it you who posted about head
posture? Let me know if your still confused about it because I
think its very important and veeeery cool when you figure it
out.
[quote author=Selina93 link=topic=260.msg1958#msg1958
date=1492877806]
Btw I still did not understand where the Crane is performed
because in the web I didn't find any ortho who utilizes it.
And.. another thing I think I understood.. I think that to use
the crane one must have the maxilla centred... not shifted to
the left/right, not asymmetrically inclined.. after someone
works in symmetry and the skull is symmetrical but still
recessed then he could use the Crane.
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They have a website where they list practitioner.
HTML http://www.thecranencrp.com/listofpractitioners.html
HTML http://www.thecranencrp.com/listofpractitioners.html
And yes i
agree many believe widening and centering is best before
pulling.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: TheNo0n3 Date: April 22, 2017, 2:45 pm
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[quote author=slamo28 link=topic=260.msg1960#msg1960
date=1492889939]
Was it you who posted about head posture? Let me know if your
still confused about it because I think its very important and
veeeery cool when you figure it out.
[/quote]
Ay brother, dont wait for someone to ask for the information,
just post it man, will we all be thankful. I myself fixed my
head posture with the chin tucking and staying straighter but
will still be glad to read new information
#Post#: 1965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: slamo28 Date: April 22, 2017, 8:06 pm
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Fair enough! So when i tried to fix my head posture i walked
around with a forced chin tuck and was constantly stretching the
back neck. After a couple days my front part of the neck got
very tense, as was expected because i was forcing it. The body
wasn't responding to a forced new posture.
It then became apparent to me that i had introduce proper
function in order to get proper posture. The goal was tobring
the phone up to my face instead of looking down at phone (head
weighs 12 pounds so doing this strained neck muscles at the
back), and when using laptop to never have the head leaning out
forward past the shoulders. I was surprised how ingrained the
bad habits were but they were easy to change, hard to remember.
After about 3 days of proper cell phone and laptop viewing
function, something crazy happened. Huge trigger points (muscle
knots) seem to appear out of nowhere at the base of my skull.
Made sense. The proper function was lengthening once atrophied
muscles and provided blood circulation to a region that had been
strained my whole life. Got rid of the trigger points which
caused the neck muscles at the back to full lengthen, which then
caused my entire head to naturally rotate in the proper
direction. I completely lost my jawline (which means natural
chin tuck with no forcing) and the back of my head no longer had
such a jagged hook.
Notice how Canelo Alverez (Left) has completely flat back of
head while Amir Khan (right) has that jagged hook. The jagged
hook means Amir Khans head has waaaay more upward rotation. AND
CANELO KNOCKED HIM THE F*** OUT BTW. like it was bad.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: QuantumLookMaxer Date: April 23, 2017, 6:13 pm
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Great image! Referencing to my most recent post, notice how
Alverez's jaw seems to be protracted (jutted forward a little
bit) while his pterygoid muscles are being activated, but it
doesn't actually look like he's clenching his teeth together. It
just looks like he maintains a pretty high degree of tension in
his jaw muscles. In contrast, Khan's jaws seem to be pretty
relaxed, and he is carrying little to no tension in his
pterygoid muscles. Maybe if Khan learned to position his jaw a
little differently Alverez wouldn't have had such an easy time
dismantling him.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: MJON Date: April 25, 2017, 9:35 am
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Slamo28 thanks for that post, I've been reading about doing the
chin tuck but I've literally just been pushing my chin into my
neck like when you're trying to give yourself a double chin so
thanks for clearing that up!
Looking at the pictures, in particular the one where the girl
has used reverse pull headgear, there's obvious expansion of the
palate (presumably as it has been pulled forward for a great
amount of time as I'm aware the woman just wore braces with the
headgear attached). If you see the original post on
facepulling.com, you can see that actually her face as come "up"
a bit, and looks like rather than her face being as flat and her
chin appearing to sticking out as much the cheekbones stand out
more, making the chin seems to stick out less.
Also interested in that Mike Mew regularly talks about the
correct lip seal and and that people who close their mouths seem
more attractive, but she definitely seems more attractive in the
second image where her mouth is open and her top lip comes "up"
with the corner of her lips coming down if you understand where
I'm coming from?
After seeing the images I'm keen to do facepulling like she has
done with a reverse pull mask over a long period of time, but
using my palate expander as I don't have braces. I think this
may work to my advantage as it means it wont be pulling my teeth
forwards but my whole palate instead, and if the theories are
correct and as the palate comes forward it expands, perhaps if
my palate is pulled forward gradually it will expand also? Or
maybe I can expand and pull at the same time gradually. My main
worry is that my face is not symmetrical, as my palate is too
small and is dropped and set back on one side. Any thoughts?
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: Skull Date: April 25, 2017, 12:28 pm
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[quote author=MJON link=topic=260.msg1973#msg1973
date=1493130929]
Slamo28 thanks for that post, I've been reading about doing the
chin tuck but I've literally just been pushing my chin into my
neck like when you're trying to give yourself a double chin so
thanks for clearing that up!
Looking at the pictures, in particular the one where the girl
has used reverse pull headgear, there's obvious expansion of the
palate (presumably as it has been pulled forward for a great
amount of time as I'm aware the woman just wore braces with the
headgear attached). If you see the original post on
facepulling.com, you can see that actually her face as come "up"
a bit, and looks like rather than her face being as flat and her
chin appearing to sticking out as much the cheekbones stand out
more, making the chin seems to stick out less.
Also interested in that Mike Mew regularly talks about the
correct lip seal and and that people who close their mouths seem
more attractive, but she definitely seems more attractive in the
second image where her mouth is open and her top lip comes "up"
with the corner of her lips coming down if you understand where
I'm coming from?
After seeing the images I'm keen to do facepulling like she has
done with a reverse pull mask over a long period of time, but
using my palate expander as I don't have braces. I think this
may work to my advantage as it means it wont be pulling my teeth
forwards but my whole palate instead, and if the theories are
correct and as the palate comes forward it expands, perhaps if
my palate is pulled forward gradually it will expand also? Or
maybe I can expand and pull at the same time gradually. My main
worry is that my face is not symmetrical, as my palate is too
small and is dropped and set back on one side. Any thoughts?
[/quote]
I think the increased attractiveness is despite her open lips
rather than because of them. The expanded palate is what makes
her more attractive. People with a narrow palate and lip
incompetence tend to look like Napoleon Dynamite. Megan Fox
tends to part her lips a lot in pictures but she looks more
sensual rather than a mouthbreather when she does it because of
her excellent midface structure and palate.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: slamo28 Date: April 26, 2017, 11:32 pm
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[quote author=MJON link=topic=260.msg1973#msg1973
date=1493130929]
I think this may work to my advantage as it means it wont be
pulling my teeth forwards but my whole palate instead, and if
the theories are correct and as the palate comes forward it
expands, perhaps if my palate is pulled forward gradually it
will expand also? Or maybe I can expand and pull at the same
time gradually. My main worry is that my face is not
symmetrical, as my palate is too small and is dropped and set
back on one side. Any thoughts?
[/quote]
I would widen first then pull. although to be honest im not sure
it matters which to do first. but i would use the crane since it
doesn't anchor on mandible. int the picture above the girls
mandible seems to have receded. The crane In theory it should be
the perftect device for facepulling because it would bring
everything forward.
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Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: slamo28 Date: April 26, 2017, 11:39 pm
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[quote author=Selina93 link=topic=260.msg1978#msg1978
date=1493235914]
Not sure if a I'm doing right.. but what I basically do is
straighten the back of my neck (lifting up the back of the
cranium basically) and the double chin and chin tuck comes
naturally because of that..
[/quote]
that's exactly right. feel around for trigger points in the
suboccipital muscles. Once you release those the cranium can
fully rotate forward and the position will feel natural. But its
also integral that you stop looking down at your phone for
craning head forward to look at laptop.
#Post#: 1981--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ineresting Pictures
By: Progress Date: April 27, 2017, 6:04 am
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[quote author=slamo28 link=topic=260.msg1979#msg1979
date=1493267579]
but i would use the crane since it doesn't anchor on mandible.
int the picture above the girls mandible seems to have receded.
The crane In theory it should be the perftect device for
facepulling because it would bring everything forward.
[/quote]
What do you mean by receded? The location of the mandible does
not recede unless the location of the bite recedes, which is the
opposite of what she seems to have achieved. Besides, not a
single facepulling device is anchored on the mandible. Bringing
maxilla forward is enough to "bring everything forward", which
is why all devices focus on that. Mandible merely follows the
upper jaw and remodels itself according to the needs of the
bite.
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