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#Post#: 1919--------------------------------------------------
Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 17, 2017, 1:44 am
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I've been looking at all the posts about how headgear
protraction appliances are so uncomfortable to wear at night
that said person gives up. that's unfortunate because i believe
if one was to sleep comfortably during the night with some sort
of facepulling appliance, that would be enough for the patient
to see some forward growth. Mike mew said that the forward
growth in adults is possible, its just that adults will not go
about their day with the headgear on, which leaves the nighttime
treatment as the only option.
So i wonder if those who have the appliance have tried sleeping
on their backs with out a pillow. My myofunctional therapist
taught me the importance of sleeping on the back but in a way
that involved 4 pillows. one for the neck, two for the arms, a
rolled up towel for the lumbar region and one for the legs. It
worked.
THEN i read Claiming powers post on head posture. and that
changed the game. When i fixed my head posture (i can go into
detail about this in another post) the back of my head became
flat and i was able to lay my head on the mattress. it was very
uncomfortable at first, but as i progressed in myofunctional
therpay, the lower jaw and tongue came forward and it became a
much more comfortable position. Im in the point now where using
a pillow seems unnatural and if i use one pillow i have to use 3
more to balance out the rest of my spine.
I dont have the crane or any facepulling appliance yet, but i
belive that i will be able to sleep through the night
comfortably with it once i get. I think in order to sleep with
the crane at night one must master sleeping on the back without
a pillow with back of the head completely flat on mattress while
the crane forces pull. Whatchyall think?
#Post#: 1920--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: MeltedFace
Date: April 17, 2017, 2:13 am
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I keep trying to sleep on my back but my jaw swings open... I
lay on my side and keep it shut with a hand under my chin at
night. I'd LOVE to sleep on my back!
#Post#: 1925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 17, 2017, 2:19 pm
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Melted Face, try putting duct tape over your mouth when you
sleep. My myo therapist advised that for me one time and it
worked. Do you plan going to see a nonfunctional therapist at
some point?
#Post#: 1926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: MeltedFace
Date: April 18, 2017, 1:44 am
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Hi! When I can make enough money for things, I'll happily get
help. Duct tape on my face sounds like... for me it's too
Nightmare on Elm Street-ish you know? Maybe medical tape... I'd
do that...
#Post#: 1928--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 18, 2017, 1:42 pm
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Thats a great question Selina. The tongue isn't going to move
the entire maxillary bone forward but rather expand the palate
to optimal dimension to house the tongue. The pushing force that
the tongue does only affects the palete and not the position of
the maxilla. I have been doing myofunctinoal therapy for 2 years
and 3 months and have noticed very little change in forward
maxillary growth, however, since my upper palate is expanding,
my lower jaw come forward and is more parallel to the floor.
#Post#: 1929--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: TheNo0n3
Date: April 18, 2017, 5:25 pm
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--- Quote from: slamo28 link ---
>
> Thats a great question Selina. The tongue isn't going to move
the entire maxillary bone forward but rather expand the palate
to optimal dimension to house the tongue. The pushing force that
the tongue does only affects the palete and not the position of
the maxilla. I have been doing myofunctinoal therapy for 2 years
and 3 months and have noticed very little change in forward
maxillary growth, however, since my upper palate is expanding,
my lower jaw come forward and is more parallel to the floor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Mike Mew himself says that as the palate widens it comes
forwards and the assymetries fix themselves, not only that,
there are more than one testimonials out there that through hard
gum chewing and mewing that maxilla has significantly come
forward and the zygomatic bone is supporting even better, one of
these testimonials has been posted here more than once, from me
including.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5sPlWZed2A
in this
video Mew says "As the upper jaw widens, it moves forwards and
recenters itself." Now, of course, I have been on this topic
since 4 months and you seem to be for a far longer time, so you
might know more than me and I would be happy(well not really, I
prefer it to be this way haha) if you can show me so proof that
says otherwise.
#Post#: 1930--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: TheNo0n3
Date: April 18, 2017, 5:35 pm
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--- Quote from: slamo28 link ---
>
> I have been doing myofunctinoal therapy for 2 years and 3
months and have noticed very little change in forward maxillary
growth, however, since my upper palate is expanding, my lower
jaw come forward and is more parallel to the floor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Reading your post again, I think that there might be true in
both statements, what I mean is, that the maxilla does come
forward but not as much as I was imagining 10 seconds ago :D .
That would explain why so many mewer's faces look a bit like a
slope from the side, Mike Mew included, whom I watched again in
a video yesterday and was like woah. But the nose really
straightens, which is a sign for forward growth
#Post#: 1931--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: Progress
Date: April 18, 2017, 5:39 pm
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I also find that hard to agree with. Tongue and facepulling
devices are both used to generate about the same amount of force
against against the same area of the maxilla (the upper mouth)
and towards the same general direction. Either both of these can
change the face, or neither of them can. In the end, palate
pretty much is maxilla and any actual palatal expansion results
in forward expansion / growth of the whole maxilla.
Facepulling is superior only in a situation where mouth size &
head posture don't allow the tongue to comfortably push the
palate with solid amount of mechanical force all day long. Once
proper posterior tongue posture is possible, facepulling becomes
redundant, except in the case where you tend to mouthbreathe on
your sleep and want to keep making progress through the nights.
#Post#: 1932--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: TheNo0n3
Date: April 18, 2017, 6:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Progress link ---
>
> Facepulling is superior only in a situation where mouth size &
head posture don't allow the tongue to comfortably push the
palate with solid amount of mechanical force all day long. Once
proper posterior tongue posture is possible, facepulling becomes
redundant, except in the case where you tend to mouthbreathe on
your sleep and want to keep making progress through the nights.
>
--- End Quote ---
You think? Damn, I hope so, now a month and a half in serious
mewing I can more confidently say that I can keep the posterior
without much problems. But for real tho, as much as dangerous
and ridiculous belt facepulling(considering we are at the topic
of facepulling) came to be, it yields the best results I have
seen, not only the maxilla comes forward and widens
significantly with it, but it also goes up, like a lot. That
asian dude and the other user in the forum which did it, widened
their skull and shortened their face a lot, it was impressive,
excluding the massive assymetry for which you dont even need a
trained eye to notice, but no one addressed it, which it would
be cool if that problem gets solved. Not that I dont see that
tongue and chewing do it too, but like 2-3 millimeters if at all
and havent seen by most people.
That slope I am talking about, I came to remember I saw in the
lookism forum to be called ante face, however, they were talking
about natural ante faces, like for example Andre 3000, he has
significant ante face. Like, how does that even form, I mean by
people of color I have seen it to be a natural thing and most
have it, but by caucasians its not something that is usually
seen and if seen its not much, but this mewing thing really
causes it. The maxilla comes forward, the mandible comes forward
a bit more and bam, the forehead misses it and stays back, but
why, will originally the forehead be more forward if the maxilla
was originally more forward, is everything really that
connected? How does the bone grow for this to happen, I would be
happy to have us a topic on that.
#Post#: 1933--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sleeping on the Back without Pillows (for Crane)
DIR By: slamo28
Date: April 18, 2017, 8:11 pm
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If the tongue was enough to cause maxillary protraction then why
is Mike Mew focusing all his efforts on perfecting facepulling
headgear? Ive been tracking patients who have been doing
myofunctional therapy for 4 plus years, like literally stalking
their social media accounts to see recent pictures and i was
actually quite disappointed with what i saw. I saw no semblance
of forward growth movement. I've been tracking my maxilla and
myofunctional therapy has has only expanded my upper palate,
causing the lower jaw to come forward. Dont get me wrong i look
a hell of a lot better than before. But still have a rather
concave profile and A LOT of sclera under my eyes still showing.
At the very LEAST the tongue expansion will make the face more
symmetrical and who knows maybe over 10 years one would see
forward growth. But long term light forces (the crane, i dont
belive in helmet pulling seems dangerous) will definetly work.
The ISSUE is can you SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH IT.
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