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#Post#: 1669--------------------------------------------------
Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: Progress
Date: January 30, 2017, 5:57 am
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For the past couple of days I've been focusing on keeping my
chin tucked in as much as I can. It seems to really push the
lower jaw / teeth against the upper jaw, even when all my facial
muscles are relaxed. In terms of forces generated, this seems
very similar to facepulling and is very sustainable.
Even in such a short amount of time, it has made my bite feel
different. I wonder if this kind of posture is capable of
impacting the facial structure over time, since the forces seem
greater than pushing with the tongue against the palate. On the
other hand, I'm a bit paranoid about whether this is damaging to
teeth in the same way grinding is, although this is just static
force. Anyone else have experiences or thoughts to share?
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Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: MeltedFace
Date: January 30, 2017, 2:47 pm
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How are you tucking? I'm a little confused how it might damage
anything... is it the Mackenzie tuck?
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Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: Skull
Date: January 30, 2017, 3:51 pm
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In my opinion this is the only way to really get sufficient
force to the maxilla. The more you practice this the stronger
your tongue and the muscles at the front of your neck will get
to offset added pressure to the teeth.
A few months ago I had the epiphany that when I'm tucking my
chin back this is actually closer to the orientation my head is
supposed to be in. When I tuck my chin, it straightens out my
whole neck and spine and causes my tongue to jam into my palate
due to lack of space. I realized the reason I always used to
slouch was because the center of gravity of my head was too far
in front of my spine due to forward head posture. Thereason my
jaw tucks into my throat so much when I do this posture is
because of how far down my maxilla is dropped and how much my
mandible rotated back. If angelina jolie or natalie portman did
a chin tuck, their jaws would still stick straight out at a 90
degree angle. So far I've noticed significant closure of my open
bite, also I used to barely be able to breathe while tucking my
chin in but now I can which tells me there was some adaptation.
I find it useful to occasionally put my hand on the back of my
head and gently pull upward, while holding an inhalation plaster
your tongue on the palate and push while engaging the front of
the neck. Then when you release the breath it feels very
relaxing and good.
#Post#: 1672--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: Progress
Date: January 31, 2017, 1:15 am
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--- Quote from: MeltedFace link ---
>
> How are you tucking? I'm a little confused how it might damage
anything... is it the Mackenzie tuck?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes. Basically I drive the mandible towards the neck. This
forces the teeth together hard. Grinding teeth is damaging to
the enamel, so I'm wondering how damaging static pressure is (if
at all).
--- Quote from: Skull link ---
>
> In my opinion this is the only way to really get sufficient
force to the maxilla. The more you practice this the stronger
your tongue and the muscles at the front of your neck will get
to offset added pressure to the teeth.
>
> A few months ago I had the epiphany that when I'm tucking my
chin back this is actually closer to the orientation my head is
supposed to be in. When I tuck my chin, it straightens out my
whole neck and spine and causes my tongue to jam into my palate
due to lack of space. I realized the reason I always used to
slouch was because the center of gravity of my head was too far
in front of my spine due to forward head posture. Thereason my
jaw tucks into my throat so much when I do this posture is
because of how far down my maxilla is dropped and how much my
mandible rotated back. If angelina jolie or natalie portman did
a chin tuck, their jaws would still stick straight out at a 90
degree angle. So far I've noticed significant closure of my open
bite, also I used to barely be able to breathe while tucking my
chin in but now I can which tells me there was some adaptation.
>
> I find it useful to occasionally put my hand on the back of my
head and gently pull upward, while holding an inhalation plaster
your tongue on the palate and push while engaging the front of
the neck. Then when you release the breath it feels very
relaxing and good.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly. The great thing is that once the head is in an
anatomically correct position, the rest of the body seems to
magically sort itself out too. Suddenly your lordosis has gone
away and your shoulders aren't rolled forward any more. Trying
to fix either of these without fixing head posture is incredibly
hard. I remember having to stretch psoas and hamstrings daily
just to be able to keep the hip area straight and open before
becoming aware of head posture.
Anyways, I think the mechanics involved in this kind of
"facepulling" are pretty close to what Mew is talking about here
HTML https://youtu.be/-pzL3ETuiKc?t=807.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but
at least for me far greater forces seem to be generated against
the anterior teeth than posterior teeth, which may over time tip
the anterior maxilla upwards and allow the mandible swing up &
forward with it (as shown in Mew's powerpoint slide). Looking at
the force vectors, the facepulling gear he shows at 14:40 seems
to be made to simulate this exact effect of correct head
posture.
If only I could sleep on my back without getting apnea... having
the mandible driving against the maxilla for whole night could
be able to really catapult structural changes.
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Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: MJON
Date: January 31, 2017, 5:21 pm
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Interesting post, I find that my posture causes my neck comes
forward slightly and therefore my head. When I concentrate on
tucking my chin in my neck straightens and my head seems to be
in the right place... it's also a lot easier for my tongue to
rest on the upper palate this way. Does anybody else find this?
#Post#: 1676--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: MeltedFace
Date: January 31, 2017, 8:19 pm
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Today I just started trying to do this in the day, and I look
crazy because of my gonial angle - major little double chin and
crazy looking lol - but it works. I find at night that it's so
easy, and wear a headband to keep my mouth shut around my face.
I think I'm going to get a compression mask on Amazon to help my
weak jaw until it gets stronger
#Post#: 1680--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: Skull
Date: January 31, 2017, 10:21 pm
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--- Quote from: MeltedFace link ---
>
> Today I just started trying to do this in the day, and I look
crazy because of my gonial angle - major little double chin and
crazy looking lol - but it works. I find at night that it's so
easy, and wear a headband to keep my mouth shut around my face.
I think I'm going to get a compression mask on Amazon to help my
weak jaw until it gets stronger
>
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Yeah, my chin practically disappears into my neck when I do it.
Maybe this is why it's so hard to get changes. People don't want
to look like they have a double chin so they walk around with
their head rotated slightly upward. But when you rotate the head
up you also move the palate away from the tongue because it's
attached to the neck muscles, the lack of support causes the
face to drop down more, which makes the double chin worse so
they have to rotate their head up even more and so on. Then over
the years the structure gets so distorted that when you try to
hold the original head position it looks like a crazy chin tuck.
The only way to get this process going in the other direction
might be to be willing to hold your head rotated the other way
for most of the day even if it makes you look extra bad.
--- Quote from: Progress link ---
>
> Anyways, I think the mechanics involved in this kind of
"facepulling" are pretty close to what Mew is talking about here
HTML https://youtu.be/-pzL3ETuiKc?t=807.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but
at least for me far greater forces seem to be generated against
the anterior teeth than posterior teeth, which may over time tip
the anterior maxilla upwards and allow the mandible swing up &
forward with it (as shown in Mew's powerpoint slide). Looking at
the force vectors, the facepulling gear he shows at 14:40 seems
to be made to simulate this exact effect of correct head
posture.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think most of the force should be distributed to the palate
using the tongue rather than the teeth. Although when I was
first doing this I did notice more pressure to my molars because
I had an open bite at the front due to previous tongue thrust
swallow patterns. I stopped wearing my plastic orthodontic
retainers at night and this gradually corrected itself, now all
the pressure feels even through all my teeth and my tongue
reflexively goes against my palate.
#Post#: 1685--------------------------------------------------
Re: Facepulling effect of head posture
DIR By: Progress
Date: February 2, 2017, 4:13 am
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Yeah definitely, having tongue on palate is ideal in terms of
facial development when you're growing. Whether or not tongue
alone is enough to affect facial structure in adults, I'm not
sure about that. However, as long as the force is towards the
same general direction, it shouldn't matter whether it is
generated against palate or teeth. People have gotten results
from mewing as well as from devices that are attached to teeth.
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