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#Post#: 1753--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: Tyler Date: February 27, 2017, 4:30 am
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[quote author=therealadam link=topic=222.msg1654#msg1654
date=1484895288]
[quote author=Doumi link=topic=222.msg1639#msg1639
date=1484749142]
Hello, may I ask which expander have you bought? I thought that
there wasn't really anything risky about expanding, since if you
have a narrow jaw, widening is always beneficial.
I read that you should turn the screw 1-2 times a day for rapid
palatal expansion and that will result in a gap between the
front teeth which should get closed naturally by time.
If you expand once per two days, you probably won't see a gap
because your teeth will accomodate to the new position fairly
quickly.
The palatal expander is currently my only option as my situation
isn't so bad that I'd risk going under the knife.
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A doctor said here:
HTML https://www.realself.com/question/removable-palate-exapanders-effective-fixed,<br
/>" The key is to have physiologic expansion with a removable
appliance putting pressure to the roof of the mouth, not the
teeth and using no more than 2-3 activations (1/4 mm each) per
week. "
So watch out with how fast your expanding. To be safe I'd keep
it to 1-2 "activations" per week. Also "activations" is a loose
word, a different palate expander might expand by a different
amount per turn.You should measure how much your palate expander
expands per turn and keep it below 1/4 mm per week.
I say I have some pretty good progress from a myobrace,
jawzrsize and good tongue posture. I have some pictures that
show progress. They aren't perfect medical quality photos
(seems like the only progress pics people have are shitty ones,
haha.), but they're better than a lot of the ones I have seen.
Im still debating if I want to put myself on the interwebs, I
might do it after I finish my palate expansion/ face pulling
(havent started yet). I had a receding lower jaw that I was able
to move forward with the myobrace/jawzrsize through muscle
training. I stopped mouth breathing in my sleep and my nose is
never clogged. I had very week masseters; they're alright now,
so I've gained some good lower jaw width. The jawzrsize is
pretty safe, but the gains are limited. The myobrace has done
some expansion, but its probably mostly teeth tipping. The
myobrace does help with facial posture though, especially during
sleeping.
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If I could go back, I wouldn't put pics of myself up. I was dumb
and did that recklessly.
What you're saying, OP, is really right. People just show up and
see the positive, then if I may say it in other words, they are
just feeling a false sense of security and then going off and
potentially harming themselves. Me, I personally won't try NCR
on myself again because I had 2 experiences that frightened me a
lot. In one, a finger cot blew up and I still don't know whether
there is a piece of finger cot lodged somewhere in my sinus. And
then in another instance, the balloon expanded out of my nose
and slid down toward my windpipe, and while it didn't choke me
and I had a pair of scissors handy and stayed my nerves so I
could think, I got a real bad image of what could happen. I
think I posted about it but in case I didn't I'm sharing it now,
because I do NOT want to have anybody's death on my conscience
just because I made a foolish error of carelessness.
Actually, the more I think of it, I wonder about just contacting
the people who own that "createaforum" web site and just
requesting the whole thing be taken down. We could start a new
forum with all the right warnings in place, and put our learned
experiences out in the front and centre. At least then we are
making it right to the best of our ability. We really learned a
lot, I can tell it from these posts, so we could make it better.
And my posts are about done for the night but a lot was said, so
I wanted to reply back in my turn to each one.
#Post#: 1757--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: MeltedFace Date: February 27, 2017, 12:01 pm
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At what point did the jawzrsize work for you? I can't get it in
my teeth easily - my jaw just doesn't open that wide?
#Post#: 1859--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: MaxillaMaximum Date: April 2, 2017, 7:16 am
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I'd love to see some before after pics as proof to that face
pulling works, but since the bones FUSE after age of 20 or so, I
am not sure it is possible without actual Le Fort II or Le Fort
III surgery.
#Post#: 1862--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: MaxillaMaximum Date: April 2, 2017, 7:40 am
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If you are over age of 20 or so then palate expansion can't work
unless you saw the bone open in surgery. The bones have fused at
this point. At least that is what my ortho told me. I spoke in
detail with her about this.
#Post#: 1866--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: MeltedFace Date: April 2, 2017, 12:03 pm
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Face bones do not fuse like regular bone nor do sutures... I'd
highly recommend watching "Orthotropics" videos by Mike Mew.
Traditional understanding of bone movement and growth vs.
Orthotropics is really worth a look.
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Re: My experience
By: TheNo0n3 Date: April 2, 2017, 1:37 pm
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[quote author=MaxillaMaximum link=topic=222.msg1862#msg1862
date=1491136803]
If you are over age of 20 or so then palate expansion can't work
unless you saw the bone open in surgery. The bones have fused at
this point. At least that is what my ortho told me. I spoke in
detail with her about this.
[/quote]
Don't trust doctors so blindly man. There were some
orthodontists which even said what the Mews preach is bullsh*t,
which is not, I am not sure if you know about Mew tho, check him
out, Orthotropics is the channel in youtube as it was said
above. Plus there are photos on the website and just write some
keywords in google images
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Re: My experience
By: MaxillaMaximum Date: April 2, 2017, 2:19 pm
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[quote author=TheNo0n3 link=topic=222.msg1869#msg1869
date=1491158248]
[quote author=MaxillaMaximum link=topic=222.msg1862#msg1862
date=1491136803]
If you are over age of 20 or so then palate expansion can't work
unless you saw the bone open in surgery. The bones have fused at
this point. At least that is what my ortho told me. I spoke in
detail with her about this.
[/quote]
Don't trust doctors so blindly man. There were some
orthodontists which even said what the Mews preach is bullsh*t,
which is not, I am not sure if you know about Mew tho, check him
out, Orthotropics is the channel in youtube as it was said
above. Plus there are photos on the website and just write some
keywords in google images
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She is not "just a doctor". She is one of the top orthos in my
country with a PHD. She has done a lot of research on this and
has watched Mew as well. We discussed it and she said it was
partly correct and that muscles influence a lot, but once the
bone has fused they cut it up in 6 parts and then do palate
expansion, because otherwise it will just push the teeth outside
without actually widening the bone.
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Re: My experience
By: MeltedFace Date: April 3, 2017, 2:06 am
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I think you'll find that many people in this forum are going
outside traditional, top doctors in fields and seeking out top
doctors in fields going against tradition. This is a very
DIY-think/outside-the-box group with a lot of wonderful
knowledge. But even the Queen of England's doctors opinion won't
be impressive or sway against studies, successful alternative
doctors that are innovative, etc.
I doubt anyone thinks you are seeing a quack. But if you get a
bit eye rolled and luke warm vibe from mentioning another person
who says what isn't possible when things ARE possible, you'll
see push. Many of us have been through horrible, expensive,
traditional treatments for all our lives, and purposely seek out
other things.
This is what we hear:
"You can't slow aging!"- yes you can, see Sanford Bennet and his
work "Old Cause: It's Cause and Prevention."
"Vegans don't get protein and aren't healthy!" - nope, see The
China Study, and vegan athletes around the world
"You've got to get a facelift for wrinkles or whatever!" - no,
try facial exercises like Facerobics on YouTube
"You need braces and surgery!" - RUN! See Orthotropics working
on people everywhere of all ages
You see what I mean? Basically what is tradition is just the
norm. And it's often flawed, archaic, and detached from the
natural (which is the best).
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Re: My experience
By: MaxillaMaximum Date: April 3, 2017, 5:16 am
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My doc agreed with most of what Mew says, but the real question
here is about palatal expansion in adults. And it makes total
sense that IF your palate plates have FUSED, you will just push
your teeth out, which will sort of give you a wider smile, but
might as well cause issues and won't give you the jaw expansion
you need for aesthetics.
She showed me an actual example how in people who have deformed,
uber narrow jaws and are above age of 25 or so they saw the
palate in 6 parts basically. Like 6 little blocks. Then they can
slowly, with palate expanders completely transform the jaw into
anything.
This ortho is also against extractions. She also says that
muscles play a big role into shaping of bone tissue.
The thing here you have to understand are the forces in play.
You need to exert MORE force on the bone that is being used to
holding it together. Can you achieve that just by holding your
tongue properly? I'm not sure...
I'd really like to see actual before and afters where adults
have achieved significant changes with no braces and no surgery.
I got braces and it improved my bite and my face got more
aesthetic, but it was due to braces and bite, not due to change
in palate.
[quote]"You need braces and surgery!" - RUN! See Orthotropics
working on people everywhere of all ages [/quote]
Both of these are extremely effective in most cases. Especially
if you avoid extractions. There are cases of literal subhuman
looking creatures transform into models because of double jaw
surgery.
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Re: My experience
By: Skull Date: April 3, 2017, 10:54 am
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[quote author=MaxillaMaximum link=topic=222.msg1874#msg1874
date=1491214598]
The thing here you have to understand are the forces in play.
You need to exert MORE force on the bone that is being used to
holding it together. Can you achieve that just by holding your
tongue properly? I'm not sure...
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I think it's a little more complicated. We're not trying to use
our tongue to tear apart the sutures by brute force. We're using
it to send a mechanical signal long term to hopefully induce
bone remodeling. According to wolff's law, mechanical forces in
long duration applied to a bone turns into a mechanical stress
into a bio-chemical signal that stimulates osteoclasts to remove
bone in certain directions and osteoblasts to build bone in
others.
A tumor is a soft mass that pushes lightly, but if its pushing
on bone constantly, it will remodel the bone radically over
time. It's not really that it's exerting such high forces that
the bones are torn out of the way by brute force, but that the
cells can detect mechanical signals and adapt to them.
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[quote author=MaxillaMaximum link=topic=222.msg1874#msg1874
date=1491214598]
I'd really like to see actual before and afters where adults
have achieved significant changes with no braces and no surgery.
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[quote author=MaxillaMaximum link=topic=222.msg1874#msg1874
date=1491214598]
This ortho is also against extractions. She also says that
muscles play a big role into shaping of bone tissue.
[/quote]
Yeah. Exactly.
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