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Re: My experience
By: Betterbytheday Date: January 18, 2017, 7:11 pm
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Progress, not a single person has posted any evidence in the
entirety of this whole community that can justify any of this
ridiculousness,we have nothing close to evidence beside just a
couple of peoples personal accounts documenting their ncr
journeys; we don't know their background or their starting
point. Many people have messed themselves up over this. I myself
and I know of 2 others have had bad experiences and goodness
knows how many out there.
Many people in the past have posted here with negative
experiences but they unfortunately get no response and they just
disappear off the forum, no one cares. We all want to know the
good, We want to believe, That's why we are all here.
Desperation. It seems like all the main members have abandoned
ship now.
I have nothing in this by lying. I'm an open minded person
that's why i'm here in the first place.
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Re: My experience
By: Progress Date: January 18, 2017, 7:41 pm
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I don't think you're lying, but I do think your perspective is
too black and white. Which of course is pretty justified
considering your situation.
I also disagree that desperation unites us all here. Perhaps
some... I for one find this an immensely fascinating subject to
theorize and play around with.
Rather than trying to turn people away altogether, you would do
us all greater service by simply warning people against the use
of excessive force. By scrolling through the forum history, it
looks like this is where the vast majority of problems seems to
stem from. Let those who want to experiment feel welcome to come
do so.
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Re: My experience
By: MeltedFace Date: January 18, 2017, 8:36 pm
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There are at least two good things we know for sure: correct
tongue posture and hard, mastic chewing. Even if we can't get
the forward growth and model look - let's say for lack of before
and after evidence currently - a lot of people have had good
changes in health and visual improvement from this. Not huge,
but even just defining the jawline really makes a good
difference and not mouth breathing :) it really is hard to hear
you tried things and ended up with iffy results. I'm not set on
anything but mewing and chewing yet!
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Re: My experience
By: therealadam Date: January 20, 2017, 12:35 am
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[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1635#msg1635
date=1484708312]
I must say I'm not having great success with face pulling or
belt pulling. Its quite clear I have damaged my face pretty
badly now and have an issue with gums receding from my teeth
being compressed far up into my gums. also the palatal expander
I is just tipping my teeth (its expanding my arch but not my
jaw, maybe because i'm expanding too fast or due to the palate
being fused, probably the latter). On top of that I have bad TMJ
which was made worse. I have to question people goals on doing
this. I myself have come to realize Ive been deluded and self
conscious with my facial appearance even though I had a pretty
good facial structure (just mild crowding of teeth and uneven
jaw joint, moderate TMJ, tooth grinding, no extractions or ortho
etc. and overall good facial structure)
I mean Its great people claim their achieving positive changes.
But are they? NO concrete evidence just hope. I think I
personally awakened to how stupid I am to believe some of this
stuff and the belt pulling theory to advance the jaws etc. In my
mind common sense goes out of the windows sometimes (believing
an internet belt pulling theory rationalizes and puts in context
my naivety and gullibility approaching many of life's
situations, I'm only 19 though so I've learnt over this) Ive
wasted alot of time and money to hurt myself and destroy my
face. I'm seeking help from an orthodontist and a maxillo
facial surgeon to correct my jaw alignment with advancement and
aswell as that, with absolutely no fucks, I want to get opinions
on all of this. Explain to him all the posts and people
experiences to get his verdict.
I already was a bit 'mental' and opening up about this to real
medics / doctors will make me seem insane but atleast im in the
hands of medical professionals. Self treatment is ridiculous. Im
just lucky I have good financial backing with friends and family
to fund the facial surgery and the orthodontic pursuit which I
should've looked into in the first place or accept myself how I
was. The self treatment made it worse.
The more you find out you realize how we have been deeply
deceived, the whole community is be taken advantage over
(Claiming power had Surgically assisted maxillary expansion!
nothing natural, he looks barely any better aswell absolute
fraudster, Dont know if any of you know of the neymarjr scam
which scammed many gullible desperate people of thousands of
dollars over his 'maxilla advancement technique', Plato is just
a businessman his online websites selling penile enlargement and
sexually related products was the finally straw for me and
really puts into perspective what we are dealing with here .All
business guys, All looking to take advantage over you)
Everyone here is all very silent and just acts like this is the
go to proven method, we are all doing this and for any new
visitors to the site they get the impression it seems like it
all works)
Posture and chewing is great its not going to do much when your
an adult lets be real. I don't want to damage the hopes of
people on this forum its all very optimistic positive but the
truth is this is just pseudo science guys.
Id rather say the truth than sit in silence.
Good look to anyone on here with their goals, stay safe. (Im
seriously worried there are people out there hurting themselves
badly over all of this self treatment NCR / facepulling / belt
pulling, You always here the good but never the bad)
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I hear you 100%. We all know what we do here is risky; thanks
for reminding us how risky it really is.
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Re: My experience
By: therealadam Date: January 20, 2017, 12:54 am
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[quote author=Doumi link=topic=222.msg1639#msg1639
date=1484749142]
Hello, may I ask which expander have you bought? I thought that
there wasn't really anything risky about expanding, since if you
have a narrow jaw, widening is always beneficial.
I read that you should turn the screw 1-2 times a day for rapid
palatal expansion and that will result in a gap between the
front teeth which should get closed naturally by time.
If you expand once per two days, you probably won't see a gap
because your teeth will accomodate to the new position fairly
quickly.
The palatal expander is currently my only option as my situation
isn't so bad that I'd risk going under the knife.
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A doctor said here:
HTML https://www.realself.com/question/removable-palate-exapanders-effective-fixed,<br
/>" The key is to have physiologic expansion with a removable
appliance putting pressure to the roof of the mouth, not the
teeth and using no more than 2-3 activations (1/4 mm each) per
week. "
So watch out with how fast your expanding. To be safe I'd keep
it to 1-2 "activations" per week. Also "activations" is a loose
word, a different palate expander might expand by a different
amount per turn.You should measure how much your palate expander
expands per turn and keep it below 1/4 mm per week.
I say I have some pretty good progress from a myobrace,
jawzrsize and good tongue posture. I have some pictures that
show progress. They aren't perfect medical quality photos
(seems like the only progress pics people have are shitty ones,
haha.), but they're better than a lot of the ones I have seen.
Im still debating if I want to put myself on the interwebs, I
might do it after I finish my palate expansion/ face pulling
(havent started yet). I had a receding lower jaw that I was able
to move forward with the myobrace/jawzrsize through muscle
training. I stopped mouth breathing in my sleep and my nose is
never clogged. I had very week masseters; they're alright now,
so I've gained some good lower jaw width. The jawzrsize is
pretty safe, but the gains are limited. The myobrace has done
some expansion, but its probably mostly teeth tipping. The
myobrace does help with facial posture though, especially during
sleeping.
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Re: My experience
By: Progress Date: January 20, 2017, 1:07 am
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[quote author=therealadam link=topic=222.msg1654#msg1654
date=1484895288]
I say I have some pretty good progress from a myobrace,
jawzrsize and good tongue posture. I have some pictures that
show progress.
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PM me your pictures if you feel like it. I'm very interested.
Also, are you self treating with myobrace? I have several gaps
in my front upper dental arch, between both lateral incisors &
canine teeth and I wonder whether closing the gaps is something
that I could perform on myself.
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Re: My experience
By: Tyler Date: February 27, 2017, 3:16 am
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Hey, I'm around still.
Actually you got a good point there, I did try to warn people
about the possible risks. I don't think that makes the whole
thing a false promise, and from looking at certain images to me
it appears to me, in my current understanding, that people who
have done it right have had success.
I wrote that part about caution partly because I had written so
many "scientific" style posts trying to hypothesise about how it
all worked, and I got into the whole spirit of ingenuity and
tried to help people in the best way I could. I was also liking
to feel part of a community since I was lonely in life, and
there was that element of being selfishly in love with my own
voice too. But later on, I was getting a lot of emails from
people who, to me, seemed like they didn't want to think things
through and just wanted somebody to tell them exactly what to
do- like, put all the responsibility on somebody else.
I also pulled too hard myself although I actually think I
overreacted to it now since I'm fine.
But I mean, we are not doctors here and this is "fringe
science". So imo we have to be responsible for our own actions.
But I was under the impression that a lot of people were hoping
for somebody else to lie to them and promise the world to them-
actually, I think that Plato's web site has a bit too much of
that overzealous element, too. So, my warnings were meant to
hopefully dispell that promise and since I'm not a doctor or a
therapist and can't just live my life to talk people into making
smart decisions, I wrote a bit heavy on the side of caution so
that people who were not ready to take self-responsibility and
exercise reason would just be scared and not even harm
themselves or run the risk, since if somebody isn't willing to
exercise reason and are just blindly acting, even with "the
correct steps" in front of them they can still mess it up and
hurt themselves.
But also, I'm just 26 here and was plenty scared about the idea
of some people hurting themselves, so I made my own
overreactions out of fear that my older posts might actually
give people a false illusion that I'm some expert or doctor who
is saying "this is 100% safe" when the real truth is, we're all
just experimenting with a very undocumented and fringe science
here and we could do some damage in the whole process of testing
things out.
I'm actually glad you wrote the negative though. Maybe people
will think about the positives and the negatives now, which is
what I tried to encourage in the first place. And I only can
hope you get your issue helped by a real doctor. I have to live
with the burden of guilt now and may never be able to get it
gone, but I made my own foolish, reckless deeds so I reap what I
sowed.
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Re: My experience
By: Tyler Date: February 27, 2017, 3:22 am
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It's really good you got some help and can support yourself guy.
Really. Please don't assume that I want anybody to hurt
themselves either. And honestly, I was young when I made my
posts and may have deluded myself to an extent as well, by
taking better photos with different lighting and then fabulating
progress in my imagination.
Honestly, if you got a doctor to look at the claims and make a
statement, I'd be really happy because I tried to take down some
of my posts in order to pull back on my own overzealous mistake
and make it right again, but then some people had already quoted
my whole posts which I couldn't change.
I'll take responsibility and honestly if a doctor wants to call
me a delusional pseudo-scientist that's fine and possibly best,
since nobody's helped by blind belief or blind optimism.
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Re: My experience
By: Tyler Date: February 27, 2017, 3:44 am
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I don't know the truth, but to me the pic of that guy "patient
zero" looks very striking.
Now that I think about it, though, he could have just been sick
in the first pick and then in the second pic he could have been
healthier, giving him back his normal handsomeness. Somehow, the
whole thing just looks.. well, better though. Like something he
did refined his beauty, and brought it into a better version.
...................................
Well, what should we do then?
We all are here as a community, for better or worse. And we want
to be able to communicate ideas to each other, but want to make
sure that others don't just blindly follow. Should we put up
some disclaimers or something, and put up a clear statement that
these are just self-initiated efforts to explore what kinds of
modifications the natural physicality of the human body permits
to be done on it?
I'm not the owner and not even a "hero member", I don't even
like that name and wish I could change it because I'm really
more of a curious and sometimes reckless scientist, and no hero.
But I suppose what we can all recognise and agree on, is there
should be some kind of greater acknowledgement of the possible
negative and dangers alongside the proposed positive theories
and speculations.
I don't think anybody but a real sadist and real scumbag wants
to hurt anybody, but we also are human and made mistakes so we
could learn from them, and now I can at least say that I did.
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Re: My experience
By: Tyler Date: February 27, 2017, 4:18 am
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[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1635#msg1635
date=1484708312]Id rather say the truth than sit in silence.
Good look to anyone on here with their goals, stay safe. (Im
seriously worried there are people out there hurting themselves
badly over all of this self treatment NCR / facepulling / belt
pulling, You always here the good but never the bad)
[/quote]
I'm really worried about that too. Please get better because if
you have hurt yourself and I'm partly responsible then I'm going
to share part of the misery.
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