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#Post#: 1635--------------------------------------------------
My experience
By: Betterbytheday Date: January 17, 2017, 8:58 pm
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I must say I'm not having great success with face pulling or
belt pulling. Its quite clear I have damaged my face pretty
badly now and have an issue with gums receding from my teeth
being compressed far up into my gums. also the palatal expander
I is just tipping my teeth (its expanding my arch but not my
jaw, maybe because i'm expanding too fast or due to the palate
being fused, probably the latter). On top of that I have bad TMJ
which was made worse. I have to question people goals on doing
this. I myself have come to realize Ive been deluded and self
conscious with my facial appearance even though I had a pretty
good facial structure (just mild crowding of teeth and uneven
jaw joint, moderate TMJ, tooth grinding, no extractions or ortho
etc. and overall good facial structure)
I mean Its great people claim their achieving positive changes.
But are they? NO concrete evidence just hope. I think I
personally awakened to how stupid I am to believe some of this
stuff and the belt pulling theory to advance the jaws etc. In my
mind common sense goes out of the windows sometimes (believing
an internet belt pulling theory rationalizes and puts in context
my naivety and gullibility approaching many of life's
situations, I'm only 19 though so I've learnt over this) Ive
wasted alot of time and money to hurt myself and destroy my
face. I'm seeking help from an orthodontist and a maxillo
facial surgeon to correct my jaw alignment with advancement and
aswell as that, with absolutely no fucks, I want to get opinions
on all of this. Explain to him all the posts and people
experiences to get his verdict.
I already was a bit 'mental' and opening up about this to real
medics / doctors will make me seem insane but atleast im in the
hands of medical professionals. Self treatment is ridiculous. Im
just lucky I have good financial backing with friends and family
to fund the facial surgery and the orthodontic pursuit which I
should've looked into in the first place or accept myself how I
was. The self treatment made it worse.
The more you find out you realize how we have been deeply
deceived, the whole community is be taken advantage over
(Claiming power had Surgically assisted maxillary expansion!
nothing natural, he looks barely any better aswell absolute
fraudster, Dont know if any of you know of the neymarjr scam
which scammed many gullible desperate people of thousands of
dollars over his 'maxilla advancement technique', Plato is just
a businessman his online websites selling penile enlargement and
sexually related products was the finally straw for me and
really puts into perspective what we are dealing with here .All
business guys, All looking to take advantage over you)
Everyone here is all very silent and just acts like this is the
go to proven method, we are all doing this and for any new
visitors to the site they get the impression it seems like it
all works)
Posture and chewing is great its not going to do much when your
an adult lets be real. I don't want to damage the hopes of
people on this forum its all very optimistic positive but the
truth is this is just pseudo science guys.
Id rather say the truth than sit in silence.
Good look to anyone on here with their goals, stay safe. (Im
seriously worried there are people out there hurting themselves
badly over all of this self treatment NCR / facepulling / belt
pulling, You always here the good but never the bad)
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Re: My experience
By: Skull Date: January 17, 2017, 11:27 pm
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Sorry to hear this. I'm new to this forum but I understand
there's no "proven method". It's a bunch of laymen experimenting
on ourselves at our own risk trying to achieve something that
seems like it should be possible in theory but very hard to
achieve in practice. I now know applying high forces directly to
the teeth using crude methods like belt pulling is a very stupid
idea because obviously the roots of our teeth are much softer
than the maxilla and it'll just wreck the teeth before the
maxilla ever moves.
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Re: My experience
By: MeltedFace Date: January 17, 2017, 11:41 pm
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I just posted about someone who created a device that only
touches his palette and moves it forward with head gear... seems
like that might avoid the tooth issue...
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Re: My experience
By: Doumi Date: January 18, 2017, 8:19 am
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Hello, may I ask which expander have you bought? I thought that
there wasn't really anything risky about expanding, since if you
have a narrow jaw, widening is always beneficial.
I read that you should turn the screw 1-2 times a day for rapid
palatal expansion and that will result in a gap between the
front teeth which should get closed naturally by time.
If you expand once per two days, you probably won't see a gap
because your teeth will accomodate to the new position fairly
quickly.
The palatal expander is currently my only option as my situation
isn't so bad that I'd risk going under the knife.
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Re: My experience
By: Betterbytheday Date: January 18, 2017, 12:04 pm
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[quote author=Skull link=topic=222.msg1636#msg1636
date=1484717237]
Sorry to hear this. I'm new to this forum but I understand
there's no "proven method". It's a bunch of laymen experimenting
on ourselves at our own risk trying to achieve something that
seems like it should be possible in theory but very hard to
achieve in practice. I now know applying high forces directly to
the teeth using crude methods like belt pulling is a very stupid
idea because obviously the roots of our teeth are much softer
than the maxilla and it'll just wreck the teeth before the
maxilla ever moves.
[/quote]
Your Absolutely right
[quote author=MeltedFace link=topic=222.msg1638#msg1638
date=1484718068]
I just posted about someone who created a device that only
touches his palette and moves it forward with head gear... seems
like that might avoid the tooth issue...
[/quote]
Good look waiting for that miracle invention
[quote author=Doumi link=topic=222.msg1639#msg1639
date=1484749142]
Hello, may I ask which expander have you bought? I thought that
there wasn't really anything risky about expanding, since if you
have a narrow jaw, widening is always beneficial.
I read that you should turn the screw 1-2 times a day for rapid
palatal expansion and that will result in a gap between the
front teeth which should get closed naturally by time.
If you expand once per two days, you probably won't see a gap
because your teeth will accomodate to the new position fairly
quickly.
The palatal expander is currently my only option as my situation
isn't so bad that I'd risk going under the knife.
[/quote]
Please don't say your turning 1-2 times a day :0 Absolutely
nothing good will come of it. RPE just detaches the palate from
the maxilla (mike mew also said this) meaning there is no
structural effect on the face at all. probably makes it worse.
Look at before and afters of RPE they have exactly the same
structure, they obviously have wider arches but that is all
tipping of teeth. If your an adult The only option is SARPE.
#Post#: 1641--------------------------------------------------
Re: My experience
By: Doumi Date: January 18, 2017, 12:34 pm
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I'm not turning anything yet, I'm still wearing fixed braces so
I cant purchase the fake palate expander yet. I was thinking
rather one turn per few days for safety. So which one of the
expanders have you got?
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Re: My experience
By: Betterbytheday Date: January 18, 2017, 12:40 pm
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Ive used the Y plate expander and the upper jaw plate expander
both are pretty much the same thing. I mainly used the upper jaw
plate expander. Worn it for about 6 hours of the day and when
sleeping. Turning once every 4 days.
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Re: My experience
By: Progress Date: January 18, 2017, 2:36 pm
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Beltpulling is an extremely reckless method. It is good to
remember that no one with any authority on the subject
recommends using such intense forces.
At the age of 19, your mid-palatal suture is far from fused:
"In a histological study, Persson and Thilander (1977)
investigated palatal suture closure in man from 15 to 35 years
of age. The authors demonstrated that palatal sutures may show
obliteration during the juvenile preiod, but a marked degree of
closure was rarely found until the third decade of life."
(
HTML http://tinyurl.com/ztqth6q)
If your teeth start to tip, that should mean you're expanding
too fast. For those looking to expand palate, I recommend taking
the longer route of using tongue only. It's much harder to cause
any damage this way. In the last year my intermolar width has
increased significantly, and the more room my tongue has gained,
the easier applying sidewards pressure aginst the dental arch
has become. Overall this has resulted in slightly increased
cheekbone definition and lessening of overbite, which in turn
has given the chin some vertical size (= appearance of increased
size due to changed bite, not bone change).
There are very few good before/after pictures in circulation
because these kind of subtle changes are difficult to capture in
a way that makes the changes obvious. It's too easy to fail at
keeping variables like angle, lightning & expresssion identical,
especially if taken with a phone at home. However, the mechanics
of facepulling DO work to some extent even for adults, which is
demonstrated in Mike's new video:
youtube.com/watch?v=-pzL3ETuiKc
Your bad experiences don't invalidate positive changes others
have acquired. Declaring everything as pseudoscience is not
fair. There's a limit to how fast the body can change and adapt
without breaking, which you have learned the hard way. There's a
lot of bullshit in the scene, but in the end most, if not all of
it, can be avoided by remembering that even according to the Mew
family, who have perhaps more expertise on the subject than any
other group in the world, it can take up to decade to see
significant progress.
There are no real shortcuts, other than surgery.
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Re: My experience
By: Betterbytheday Date: January 18, 2017, 4:10 pm
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Progress, I can actually recall you recommending belt face
pulling and towel pulling at the molars.
mid-palatal suture is far from fused? if thats the case then why
do people bother getting surgery to expand their palates. Its
fused its fixed, They have to split it down the middle to allow
expansion its the only way.
And I've met with Mew himself in person and I talked about all
this. He's almost a different person to his videos (in his vids
hes all very optimistic, draws you in, salesman like, grounded
by his facial growth evidence on children). When I saw him he
was dismissive that changing of facial structure is very minute,
nothing can be done. coming from mew himself. I dont know how
much you are dedicated to this but thats enough to get it in my
thick skull the amount of delusion I was in.
Its just the same oral posture mumbo jumbo he recommended. Im
not denying mews oral posture, having good oral posture for the
past two years gave me slow results, but then again that could
have also been due to puberty, chewing hard gum and even
weightlifting.
Im sorry it seems like its all a big lie, im so stupid to
believe all of this. stupid to waste this much time on it. Guys
other than mew giving advice are all in it for the money and
what do you get? hope, false promises an xray from plato, a
supposed ct scan of an old woman and some distorted photos. The
people on here who have had negative experiences dont post,
probably cause of shame.
I swear anyone coming to this forum please please please dont
get your hopes up its all RUBBISH. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. Take it
from me.The only satisfaction I get is helping people avoid
danger. Where is Tyler these days? the guy who had the most
amazing facial transformation, he told the truth he warned you
guys.
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Re: My experience
By: Progress Date: January 18, 2017, 5:55 pm
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[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]
Progress, I can actually recall you recommending belt face
pulling and towel pulling at the molars. [/quote]
You mistake me for somebody else. Even if I had, I'm far from a
reputable authority on this subject and merely learning as I go.
[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]
mid-palatal suture is far from fused? if thats the case then why
do people bother getting surgery to expand their palates. Its
fused its fixed, They have to split it down the middle to allow
expansion its the only way. [/quote]
Convenience, impatience, faster results.
[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]
Its just the same oral posture mumbo jumbo he recommended. Im
not denying mews oral posture, having good oral posture for the
past two years gave me slow results, but then again that could
have also been due to puberty, chewing hard gum and even
weightlifting.
I swear anyone coming to this forum please please please dont
get your hopes up its all RUBBISH. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. The only
satisfaction I get is helping people avoid danger.
[/quote]
So you had some results, yet you think it's all rubbish? Sounds
to me like you were simply expecting too much. The only danger
here is in being reckless, and that's not really our burden.
Each one of us decides for themself whether something is worth
trying or not.
[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]Im sorry it seems like its all a big lie, im so
stupid to believe all of this. stupid to waste this much time on
it. Guys other than mew giving advice are all in it for the
money and what do you get? hope, false promises an xray from
plato, a supposed ct scan of an old woman and some distorted
photos. The people on here who have had negative experiences
dont post, probably cause of shame. [/quote]
Yes, money hungry quacks exist in all niches. However, somebody
making money from it doesn't necessarily mean they are a fraud.
What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? This is
fringe science, not many are attempting what we do and even
fewer are taking the time to properly monitor & journal their
progress. We have some poor pictures, and we have some very
convincing pictures.
[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]
The people on here who have had negative experiences dont post,
probably cause of shame. [/quote]
Or negative experiences are much rarer than you think and at
most people simply don't get the results they want.
[quote author=Betterbytheday link=topic=222.msg1644#msg1644
date=1484777401]Where is Tyler these days? the guy who had the
most amazing facial transformation, he told the truth he warned
you guys.[/quote]
What truth? That he pulled too hard and hurt his jaw? Tyler has
only himself to blame, no one was encouraging him to use
excessive force.
It's of course plausible that we're under some mass delusion,
but so what? As long as we are sensible about it, there's no
real harm in trying. Who knows, maybe one of us will discover
something that really works.
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