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       #Post#: 1544--------------------------------------------------
       Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: dadfa
       Date: January 5, 2017, 1:28 pm
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       One observation I have made is that belt pulling causes the face
       to wrinkle much quicker especially under the eyes and the
       nasolabial regions.
       Does anyone know to prevent such wrinkling?
       Thank you
       #Post#: 1549--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Progress
       Date: January 5, 2017, 7:27 pm
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       Yeah. Get younger. If not possible, losing fat may help too.
       #Post#: 1554--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Betterbytheday
       Date: January 6, 2017, 9:32 am
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       --- Quote from: dadfa link ---
       >
       > One observation I have made is that belt pulling causes the
       face to wrinkle much quicker especially under the eyes and the
       nasolabial regions.
       >
       > Does anyone know to prevent such wrinkling?
       >
       > Thank you
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Which teeth are you pulling from? what direction are you
       pulling? how much force? Have you had retractive orthodontics?
       Belt pulling is a good way to get TMJ. imo Its not a great
       method. It would be wiser to get a retainer or an expander and
       do gentle facepulling
       #Post#: 1559--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: dadfa
       Date: January 6, 2017, 9:48 pm
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       When I face pull I use a lot of force. Unfortunately, I had a
       headgear and my wisdom teeth removed, so I'm trying to reverse
       any damage I can.  I'm pulling out and up.
       #Post#: 1566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Ryan
       Date: January 8, 2017, 6:20 pm
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       what is personally think is important with belt facepulling , is
       that you are pulling a certain set of teeth up and forward. In
       theorie like they said if you use the back molars it should push
       the whole maxilla forawrd, but personally I think its better to
       change the location of the belt among different molars (more
       forward ones and more backward ones) because otherwise in my
       logic you will in the end rotate the maxilla. What i mean is
       that by pushing the teeth all the way in the back UPWARDS, but
       not the teeth more towards the FRONT of the mouth, then you will
       make it rotate..since the back is going up, but the front is
       not. If you mew well  your tounge might balance that out, but i
       think its smart to make sure all parts are evenly pulled
       upwards, IF your maxilla is already rotated well.
       I think having a face with a backwards maxilla could have
       benefits when it comes to wrinkles. If your maxilla is
       backwards, and your face shape is pretty much a potatoe, then
       logically its easier for a skin to fall tightly along that even
       shape without wrinkly bits. It's like a piece of plastic is
       easier to wrap around a simple shape without wrinkles than
       around a more complicated shape
       The more the maxilla comes forward, the more definition the face
       gets and the harder it is for the skin to remain wrinklefree
       around all parts of the face. Certain types of maxilla locations
       also, such as (very) backward or (very) forward cause wrinkles
       between the sides of your nose and the edges of your mouth,
       because your cheek area and your mouth+chin area are not on the
       same level. Black people for example more often get those type
       of wrinkles because their mouth area (and this maxilla ) is more
       forward. Their cheeks stick out (good) and mouth area stick out
       (good) but tends to increase the chance of getting a line in
       betwene them...Old people get these wrinkles because their
       maxilla is more backwards/recessed .Basically both makes the
       mouth area  not be on the same level as the face.
       #Post#: 1567--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: dadfa
       Date: January 8, 2017, 11:19 pm
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       Thank you for your response.  I think the main culprit behind
       the increase in nasiolabial wrinkles is the face that we're
       opening our mouths very wide causing more tension in the lip and
       nasiolabial region.
       The only way I can think to avoid this will be using the face
       pulling helmet.
       #Post#: 1573--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Ryan
       Date: January 10, 2017, 6:39 pm
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       how are you opening your mouth very wide..why and when? please
       explain!
       #Post#: 1578--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Progress
       Date: January 10, 2017, 9:40 pm
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       --- Quote from: Ryan link ---
       >
       > how are you opening your mouth very wide..why and when? please
       explain!
       >
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       Wide horizontally in order to get the belt between back molars.
       #Post#: 1583--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: dadfa
       Date: January 10, 2017, 11:55 pm
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       You open your mouth very, very wide. It is very unnatural and
       causes the skin around your lips and mouth to stretch.
       I am started to think that unless one belt pulls everyday. It is
       unsustainable and only temporary. Because, your muscles and
       bones will always want to move back.
       #Post#: 1584--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Belt Pulling and Wrinkles
   DIR By: Progress
       Date: January 11, 2017, 2:29 am
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       --- Quote from: dadfa link ---
       >
       > You open your mouth very, very wide. It is very unnatural and
       causes the skin around your lips and mouth to stretch.
       >
       > I am started to think that unless one belt pulls everyday. It
       is unsustainable and only temporary. Because, your muscles and
       bones will always want to move back.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Tongue posture is what you maintain results with. If you
       continue mouthbreathing or letting the tongue hang like a dead
       fish low in your mouth your results will remain temporary.
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