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Widening palate
DIR By: MJON
Date: December 28, 2016, 7:17 am
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HTML http://www.debugyourhealth.com/orthodontics-and-cranial-structure/<br
/>Have a read through this, some interesting stuff on here
including massaging the roof of the mouth for expansion (pretty
much face pulling with thumbs).
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Progress
Date: December 28, 2016, 10:40 am
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Interesting theories indeed. The bit about massaging is a novel
concept to me, but is it necessary? I doubt it is going to
achieve anything that a correctly functioning tongue couldn't.
If one gets palate to widen by massage but not by tongue,
chances are your tongue posture was not that great to begin
with.
The claim about properly developed cranial structure having
plenty of space between teeth doesn't sit well with me either,
unless the author was not talking about adult teeth at all. The
slight vacuum from a proper tongue posture and lip seal pushes
the lips gently towards the teeth, generating enough pressure to
move the teeth until they touch each other, effectively closing
any gaps. Gaps between a child's teeth merely point towards fast
maxillary expansion that happened after baby teeth had already
settled in in the bone and erupted in a formation determined by
the former narrower maxillary structure... which is exactly the
case with the children in the article.
This bothers me a lot:
HTML http://i1.wp.com/www.debugyourhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sabrina_face_right_09_17_11_01.jpg
She clearly had better facial structure in the before picture.
The picture must have been mistakenly labeled, since no one can
be this delusional.
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: MJON
Date: December 28, 2016, 1:31 pm
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Progress, I'm unsure if it would make a massive difference alone
or even in adults, but it's worth a try (especially if doing in
combination with facepulling etc). Plus many of us are in this
situation because our tongues do not function correctly due to
tongue ties of different severity, so even with trying to do the
correct tongue posture I am finding my results limiting as my
tongue is not supporting any changes as efficiently as it should
be.
I agree with you on the second part; I think that can only be
applied to children. If there are gaps in between the first
teeth, as the adult teeth are larger it should mean there will
be no crowding when the adult teeth come through (meaning the
jaw is wide enough). However many adults say the have gaps when
they have the upper palate widened, so technically gaps could be
seen as a good sign. Of course nobody wants a gappy smile
permanently, it just shows space is being created and therefore
the upper palate is widening.
Have to disagree with you on the third part- unless it's because
she is smiling in the first image, she definitely has less of a
dished in look in the second image. Also her forehead seems
shorter in the second image, meaning the lower part of her face
is gradually moving forward and upwards. Obviously this is
subjective however.
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Progress
Date: December 29, 2016, 7:58 am
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How can you determine her forehead length when at least half of
it is under her hair in both pictures? But yes, the different
hairstyles make it a little frustrating to get a full sense of
facial changes. I wonder how it is possible that time after time
people continue failing so miserably at taking passable
before/after pictures.
Chin projection and lip alignment look better in the left
picture. She looks a bit like a mouthbreather in the after
picture. Perhaps her teeth are slightly apart in addition to not
smiling like she does in the before picture.
In my opinion it looks like her face has grown forward and
DOWNWARDS instead of upwards. Eyes seem to have less support
too, but this can be cause by different lightning & camera angle
that is more from the side in the left picture and more from the
front in the right one.
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Ryan
Date: January 10, 2017, 8:08 pm
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Is she not smiling in the left picture? If so, it makes it hard
to determine what looks better. In my view what lacks on the
left picture clearly is her upperlip mouth area is more
backwards in relationship with her nose. With a forward maxilla
, when looking at a face from the side, the lip should always
expand outwards more near the lips than where the nose
ends....so basically how black people's faces have their lips
located. The more the maxilla is forward, the poutier the lips
get. I think that might be why black people have (seemingly?)
bigger lips. The more the teeth are pushed forward and outward,
the more the lips that stretch on them, will look pouty. At
least I'm sure this is the case with the maxilla.
With old people, the lips are more like the upperlip of the
girl on the left. From the nose it goes backwards towards the
lips...so the lips are located BHEIND the nose in terms of being
forward/backward in location. Because of this, there is no bone
pressing the lips outwards, giving old people the thin lip look.
Look at the left girl. She doesnt have any upperlip.
The reason the left looks or can look better to people (everyone
has another taste of course) is that to me she looks like shes
smiling, and smiling makes the cheeks move upwards and press the
cheeks against the eyes ,making the eyes look smaller and
aesthetically better looking. Now I think of it, would it be
that generally people look better smiling because it moves their
cheekbones UP which press against hte under eye erea, imitating
developed undereye bone support. So smiling looks like your
maxilla is more forward and upward? Would be interesting to
investigate!
Another thing I only recently really figured out , is that alot
of people who have pointy chins , actually do not really have
developed chins or big chinbones. Exactly like the girl on the
first picture. she looks like she has a better (at least bigger)
chin than the right one....but its actually just that her
maxilla is SO recessed and her mandible is normal, that it seems
that her mandible is very developed (big) ...aka a pointy or
clearly visible chin that sticks out
With these people iI think its their MAXILLA that is recessed
BUT NOT ROTATED, like with typical mouth breathers have .
Because their maixlla is not rotated wrongly, their mandibles
are not swung down. So their mandibles are in the right position
unlike mouthbreathers who generally have a rotated maxilla as
well, which makes their mandible rotated as well, creating the
illusion of a lack of chin, while actually the mandible and chin
bone is normal , but just swung open so much (from the low and
roated maxilla) that the chin is in their neck area down there
somewhere, giving the look of a lack of a chin.
With people like this girl...its the following I think:
- normal mandable
- recessed (in terms of forwardness) , but not wrongly rotated
maxilla
- not sure if her maxilla is too low or just fine . I'm just
sure its too backwards (anyone ideas?)
this creates the illusion that they have developed chins,
because the mandible clearly shows a chin, but its actually the
upperlip are and nose area (maxilla area there) that is recessed
which makes the chin seem forward. Relative speaking their chin
is forward to the rest yes, but its just casue the rest is more
recessed
Makes sense? I
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Progress
Date: January 10, 2017, 9:46 pm
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Yeah!
It may be possible that only gravitational pull over many years
will swing the maxilla downwards. A child that young has only
horizontally recessed maxilla because she hasn't used her tongue
to stimulate forward growth and the effects from gravity or
mouthbreathing haven't cumulated enough to result in significant
melting down of the face. This is probably why her
structure/position of bones looks relatively fine in both
pictures... she was only lacking lateral growth.
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Ryan
Date: January 11, 2017, 7:31 pm
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Yeah kids pretty much always look better when it comes to
growth..or are less fucked up, may be a better way to describe
it !
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Re: Widening palate
DIR By: Ryan
Date: January 11, 2017, 7:42 pm
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I've been mouthbreathing pretty much my entire life, and actuall
still have difficulty not doing it when not paying
attention...and i see my face get worse each year. Not really
noticed it untill i saw pictures back from like 10 years
ago..and like passport pictures. In each picture, i get more
white visible under my iris, darker area underneath my eyes, and
got more pale each year too, to the point where i was so pale
with dark areas under eyes that it actually looked sickly...
Also in that pertoid of time, my health decreased..so i wonder
how my health is just related to the recession of my maxilla.
I did 1 time NCR with a professional, and within the first
session, i got a get a redness in cheek areas back that I've
not had in like 15 years (i'm in my mid thirties now ) (not
sure how its called in english..red flush?) back that I had when
i was 16. Back then i hated it , but just as i got older that
dissapeared..and now I'm glad that since that one NCR session,
that color is back on my face. I'm not sure if I am still that
pale, since i use tanning booths, because I was fed up with
looking so pale and sick. So logically speaking I hope my
general color improved from it too.
So in the end..i was thinking..that maybe just because of my
maxilla recessed, i got all these sort of odd physical
complaints..bowel issues, hard time sleeping, feeling
tired..etc. Maybe it was just that my maxilla recessed and my
airway got smaller...so i got less oxygen
When i look at people in general (try this yourself) and you
look at the people with skins that are very pale, very often
they seem to have a recessed maxilla too!!
Maybe it's all as simple as getitng your maxilla forward,
getting your airway open, and your health (and mental health!)
will improve from it
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