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       Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: Betterbytheday
       Date: December 20, 2016, 11:13 am
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       HGH absolutely is the real builder of bone mass and density.
       Just look at any bodybuilder and notice the amount of facial
       change Before and after. Many guys who cycle with pro hormones
       and steroids grow high cheekbones and solid strong jaws. Its not
       necessarily muscle mass its more of the androgenic state they
       are in. (High levels of DHT and GH)
       Taking an AI (aromtase inhibitor) will keep your estrogen levels
       low and aid in keeping free testosterone higher in the body.
       Estrogen is the hormone which seals growth plates, if your under
       21 years old it would be beneficial to get on an AI. You
       absolutely do not need to nuke your estrogen just keep it under
       control and at a lower level. You need some estrogen for general
       health (libido and joints etc.)
       Many young guys who are short in height take an AI too keep
       their growth plates open and maximize their growth and they
       really do out grow their genetic potential. Imagine the increase
       in bone density low estrogen / High test. Huge growth and
       thickening of bones, keep estrogen to a low to keep your growth
       plates open.
       There are supplements which aid in maximsing GH. But getting
       your hands on real GH would be the best way to go. If you have
       large pockets get yourself some GH. MK677 is a good GH stimulant
       but you really want to get your hands on the real stuff.
       Starting to make me question the importance of genetics. It
       seems like genetics is an excuse not to better yourself. You can
       change absolutely everything about you (if you want to)  form
       facial structure to body composition. HPTA ,body composition and
       facial structure no denying is influenced by genetics but I feel
       environmental factors over power it.
       Im really thinking of cycling with Test and taking an AI to
       maximize my growth since Im still growing. My long androgynous
       narrow bone structure is from low test during puberty. Dont know
       why im saying this on this forum just thought some of you guys
       might be interested and think the same as I do in term of
       changing and physical self improvement. Again I think oral
       posture and tongue to the palate yadayada bla bla bla stimulates
       good growth yes but you need something to push that growth a
       catalyst. HGH, hormones,  Driven active lifestyle is so
       important. Both go hand in hand.
       #Post#: 1490--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: Betterbytheday
       Date: December 20, 2016, 11:31 am
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       Actions speak louder than words. Might try and post some pics
       Before and after. My shoulder to hip ratio (the most important)
       has improved so much over the past two years and my  overall
       body composition has improved so much. I'm almost
       un-recognizable from 2 years ago. All that was from picking up
       weights and actually starting to eat real food. Many people
       think its shoulder to waist its actually shoulder to hip. Wide
       shoulders to narrow hips is by far the most aesthetic. Its all
       about the bone structure, muscle adds to the illusion of
       building the aesthetic proportions. There are some poeple that
       train or years and look like **** its all to do with bone
       structure.
       #Post#: 1492--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: berkeley07
       Date: December 20, 2016, 6:29 pm
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       I'm in the same situation, I can't do test though since I don't
       live alone, but once I move out at 18 I'll start a light roid
       cycle.
       Currently I am using MK-677, an oral GH secretagogue, in order
       to get more GH. I'm also using Proviron which is mainly DHT (I
       know it can lead to baldness) which has been shown to increase
       free test, also because it is oral and does not need to be run
       with test or anything. I combine this with Letrozole every
       second day at a low dose to drop my estrogen levels, and to be
       honest, my boners and flaccids are fucking huge now and I've
       actually grown a bit in my height curve since starting with
       MK-677 a few months ago (I go to the doctor for regular check
       ups on my height and I've gained a later puberty growth spurt
       now, probably due to MK-677).
       I will jump on LGD, another oral SARM soon in order to maximize
       my puberty. For an adult there's no hope to fix their frame by
       roids, they might make bones thicker or get bigger muscles but
       we in puberty can actually change it quite a bit. Hopefully
       MK-677 will also speed up my mewing as well.
       #Post#: 1494--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: Betterbytheday
       Date: December 20, 2016, 8:02 pm
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       Yh MK677 is really good. I take Aromasin as an AI cause I was
       worried of the estrogen rebound when coming off Letro, however I
       guess If you taper the dose when coming off it shouldn't be a
       problem. Being 19 and having delayed puberty I'm still growing,
       so Im taking full opportunity of it.
       And LGD looks good but it has suppression sides which puts me
       off. Might aswell wait and go for a real cycle if im going to
       mess with my HPTA and then I can throw in some SARMS then.
       Really tempting to hop on though the gains from SARMS is just
       phenomenal!
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       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: Ryan
       Date: January 10, 2017, 8:12 pm
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       Do not have time to post  the full reply that i still intend to
       post on this subject, but I must say i"m very pleased that
       someone made this subject. It's a big interst of me and i've got
       some theories or ideas about how it works and I like to share
       them with others and learn from others too. Especially indeed
       for guys things like HGH and/or testosterone  can make a face
       look more masculine and mature.  Apart from a wrongly located
       maxilla or small plate , it influences face shape alot.  Its
       very interesting to see the faces, and bones, change from guys
       who do bodybuilding. More interesting than their body
       deveopment!
       So everyone who knows a bit about the subject, please share
       ...we can find out how it all works if we work together on
       collecting data, info and such and learn from eachother
       Greets all,
       Ryan!
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       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: gazziman
       Date: February 8, 2017, 10:44 pm
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       I'm 21 years old and willing to try anything for shoulder width.
       I'm probably done growing in height, but I hope my growth plates
       for my clavicles are still open. Does anyone recommend anything?
       I'm thinking HGH and an AI. What AI would you guys recommend?
       #Post#: 1700--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Facial Growth with HGH (guys)
   DIR By: Progress
       Date: February 9, 2017, 5:02 am
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  HTML http://www.futurescience.com/hgh.html
       This is an interesting
       article about HGH (other articles on that site are worth
       checking out too if you're interested in longevity & health). A
       couple of relevant excerpts:
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       > The most effective and economical way of causing this HGH
       release for many people seems to be taking 2 grams of the amino
       acid L-glutamine in the morning and taking 10 to 30 grams of the
       amino acid L-arginine before bedtime.
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       > I personally know of one 19 year-old female who took
       L-arginine (about ten grams) before bedtime for one week.   She
       stopped after one week because it was making her nauseous, which
       was an indication of an excessive level of HGH release.   Even
       though she had not grown since she was 16, during the subsequent
       month, she grew an additional inch, and had a noticeable growth
       of her heel bones.
       --- End Quote ---
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