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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: yellah
       Date: October 12, 2013, 4:57 am
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       Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you doing
       the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks did you
       notice the difference?
       #Post#: 364--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: MessiahMews
       Date: October 13, 2013, 8:12 am
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       --- Quote from: yellah link ---
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       > Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you
       doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks
       did you notice the difference?
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you.
       I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I
       will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second
       month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it
       out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month
       later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.
       It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm
       probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already,
       so I take things slower.
       #Post#: 365--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: yellah
       Date: October 13, 2013, 8:51 am
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       --- Quote from: MessiahMews link ---
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       > [quote author=yellah link=topic=20.msg363#msg363
       date=1381571847]
       > Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you
       doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks
       did you notice the difference?
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you.
       I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I
       will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second
       month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it
       out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month
       later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.
       It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm
       probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already,
       so I take things slower.
       [/quote]
       If my face does not sore, does that mean Im doing the wrong way?
       I was doing finger face- pulling but I did not feel any soreness
       after though.
       #Post#: 366--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: MessiahMews
       Date: October 13, 2013, 9:37 pm
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       --- Quote from: yellah link ---
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       > [quote author=MessiahMews link=topic=20.msg364#msg364
       date=1381669923]
       > [quote author=yellah link=topic=20.msg363#msg363
       date=1381571847]
       > Hi Messiahmews, you look amazing. How many minutes are you
       doing the face-pulling with fingers daily? and how many weeks
       did you notice the difference?
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you.
       I only do 5 minutes at a time.  If my face gets sore, then I
       will skip when I feel the need to.  Probably around the second
       month after starting.  When I do NCR, I don't pull and I wait it
       out until it's okay, which is a month or more.   Also, a month
       later or more, I start back up with ABC adjustments/corrections.
       It's okay, if it takes a tad longer with me, because I'm
       probably older than everyone else here.  I'm 56 years already,
       so I take things slower.
       [/quote]
       If my face does not sore, does that mean Im doing the wrong way?
       I was doing finger face- pulling but I did not feel any soreness
       after though.
       [/quote]
       You're probably doing it okay.   My skull has had NCR for over a
       year now, and it's unlocked and more movable, I think.  I could
       be possibly pulling too hard.
       #Post#: 377--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: FebruaryRichard
       Date: October 19, 2013, 11:20 pm
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       Hello beautiful people! Just a quick question. Do you guys think
       I should face-pull with my permanent, bonded retainers still on
       the back of my teeth (upper 4 and lower 6)?
       #Post#: 756--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Shinealight
       Date: July 11, 2014, 12:16 pm
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       My face pulling experience has been extremely spiritual . . .
       Vanity caused me to get braces, which changed my entire facial
       structure for the worse (obviously. I'm beginning to think that
       in most cases, braces are a BAD idea, especially in children,
       much less the extraction nightmare kids are put through!!).
       I prayed to God for a solution. I hadn't been very faithful
       recently. I was lead astray from my beliefs . . . Except I still
       had a flicker of hope. I knew something had to give . . .
       So when I prayed to God, I hadn't expected a solution right
       away. I expected Him to send me to more doctors, having to wait
       around even MORE while I suffered in my gloomy ugliness. But as
       I read forums about people complaining about my exact problem,
       somebody mentioned "face pulling" and "break the matrix." Break
       the what???!! Funny thing is, I'd been on the aforementioned
       forum before, and never noticed it. Sort of like how I never
       noticed in Breaking Bad how the joint Jesse's parents threw him
       out of the house for belonged to his BROTHER until I watched
       that episode again. It was just such a big plot point, a big
       twist, but I'd either never noticed or forgotten completely
       about, for whatever reason. Buuuut anyway . . .
       But once I Google'd "face pulling" and found Plato's site, I
       knew I had a solution!! I couldn't even believe it!! I'm 12 days
       into it, and I already look different. I was preeeeeetty ugly
       before, so I'm still ugly, but I'm less ugly and soon enough
       I'll be gorgeous again, as I used to be.  :D
       I face-pull and listen to a Christian station on Pandora.
       Afterward I feel completely amazing. I know with absolute
       certainty that God sent me this site and solution. "Seek and ye
       shall find," indeed.
       It's kind of difficult to wait for the end product. This is
       true. But what would you rather -- spend thousands of dollars on
       expensive braces that are on for two years that only reverse the
       extraction spaces and don't make your profile much different? Or
       a cheap-as-balls, infinitely healthier, natural way to fix all
       your physical, psychological, and, in my case, spiritual
       problems???
       I choose the latter, personally.  8)
       #Post#: 757--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Knoppe
       Date: July 23, 2014, 6:16 am
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       Shinealight:
       It's good to hear that you are feeling better. However, I'd just
       like to point out that it's not that easy to say what works for
       everyone. For some people, the cranial distortions and a
       retruded maxilla/premaxilla is the problem and that can be fixed
       with pulling/moving forward (head traumas and such as an
       example). Other people need sagittal movement through expansion
       to widen the arches.
       I'm not trying to bash your story and I'm happy that the home
       treatment is enough for you. I just want to chime in for others
       reading the forum. I've noticed that a large amount of people
       are fixated on apperance and forward growth and compare NCR,
       facepulling and functional orthodontia with eachother. As I see
       it, they are not the same and they do somewhat the same things
       but each of them have a main function.
       Some people like Ben, need to get the cranial bones straightened
       and NCR does this. Including some forward movement. Face pulling
       helps more with forward movement. If the dental arches are to
       narrow for the tongue to find it's resting place, then an
       applience or even some types of braces will help open the space
       needed for the tongue.
       Mostly it's a combination of treatments depending on each
       persons needs. I'm an avid advocate for NCR since I've noticed
       it's benefits on my posture and facial structure but the ALF has
       done more for my breathing and tongue space whilst face pulling
       really brought my cheekbones forward. I've also seen some people
       getting wider dentaö arches from only NCR but it's not a
       coincidence that Dr.Howell works with (if I'm correct and he
       still does) Dr.Belfor.
       Just wanted to point out this common missconception that the
       treatmets are better or worse. They don't do exactly the same
       things. Same, same but different so to speak. :)
       #Post#: 925--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: earl26
       Date: August 18, 2015, 7:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: Tyler link ---
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       > I have been face-pulling for twelve consecutive days, and the
       results which I have achieved are very encouraging. Just as
       promised, my entire facial bone structure is being drawn into a
       more optimal configuration. My cheekbones have just come in,
       which has contributed to a more oval shape, which I am still
       stunned to witness in the mirror. My jawline has changed
       considerably, although I cannot report having any sensation of
       the bones shifting. Whereas my jaw previously appeared elongated
       and uncomfortable, it is beginning to resemble the balanced
       jawlines of attractive people that I have seen in public.
       >
       > I am grateful that I did not undergo any sort of cosmetic
       surgery while I was obssesing about it, or I would not have the
       opportunity to see my face in its Creation-bestowed design. It
       is so difficult to quantify the changes, but I encourage anybody
       who is curious to try it! You will love the results!
       >
       > I have attached a picture of my face, in an attempt to
       illustrate the changes. The lighting is different because I have
       recently moved out of my parents' home and I photographed the
       'After' image in front of a near-infrared sauna that I purchased
       on-line. I am not certain that my face is tilted to the same
       angle; however, I have attempted to line up my eyebrows, in
       order to illustrate the overall changes in a simplified and
       accurate manner. I sense that the eyebrows act as a good anchor
       for comparison.
       >
       > You will notice that I am not smiling in the second image.
       This is because, for the first time, I feel like I am able to
       look attractive without forcing a smile onto my face! In the
       past, I always wore a very slight smile because it provided a
       slight facelift to my severely flat face and absent cheekbones.
       If I stopped smiling, my face fell down and I looked like a
       skeleton... Now I can wear my neutral expression with without
       fear of looking emaciated! My face does look narrower in the
       'After' image, yet I believe this can be contributed more so to
       the lighting.
       >
       > Of particular note is the change in the shadow of my brow as
       it hangs over the bridge of my nose. This is the feature which I
       have always been the most intensely unsettled by, as
       subconsciously I feel that it relates to the emaciated
       appearance of a skeleton. Notice that in the 'After' image, the
       shadow appears a little shorter, which would seem to indicate
       that my nose is being brought out gradually to smooth out this
       harsh angle. This is one of the most exciting breakthroughs for
       me, as I have always coveted this feature. Although there is no
       depth to be perceived in a 2D image, this is also a signifier
       that my face is coming outward.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Just read your post. very interesting.
       one question was your issues related to extractions?
       #Post#: 1000--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: marie
       Date: February 23, 2016, 1:36 pm
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       Okay...so I have been face pulling for a little less than 4
       months now.  It's not as life changing or amazing as the other
       users are making it out to be, but maybe I'm doing it wrong.
       All I use are two paper clips and two thin rubber bands (well, a
       rubber band and a hair tie now).  I do it while watching TV.  I
       don't feel anything until (sometimes) after I take the two clips
       off my braces (the feeling NEVER hurts).  Then I take a picture
       for documentation purposes.  Now, taking in account of all the
       different angles, I have noticed a slight (and by slight I mean
       slight!) shift forward.  Being somewhat pessimistic I could
       dismiss this for wishful thinking, BUT my TMJ is gone.  Whenever
       I would yawn or open my mouth wide open my left jaw would always
       pop -- now it doesn't.
       So there, that's all I have but I hope it was helpful.  The
       disappearance of the TMJ has motivated me to keep continuing.  I
       noticed an effect within 3 months, so definitely hang in there
       and be patient.  I may still have a weak chin but I hope it will
       grow considerably stronger by the end of the year.
       #Post#: 1003--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: February 23, 2016, 2:47 pm
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       That's great, and a real relief from me.
       Maybe I went a bit extreme in the negative in my OP, after going
       so extremely in the positive.
       You don't know how frightened I was about my old threads, that
       might've encouraged some folks to do some real damage to
       themselves.
       Hopefully now folks will forget about my dumb overzealous
       over-positivity, and stick with the sensible advice.
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