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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 13, 2013, 10:50 am
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 13, 2013, 11:14 am
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 13, 2013, 11:41 am
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       It is also pretty awesome to observe that my singing voice has
       improved dramatically since I started face-pulling; that is to
       say, my dynamic range in terms of musical pitch has increased,
       and the melodic quality of my voice is now much more evocative,
       refined, and elegant. I cannot base my presumption on scientific
       evaluation, but it is leading me to the conclusion that we are
       all meant to be able to sing beautifully when we possess
       optimized cranial-bone structures, as well...
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: viridian
       Date: May 13, 2013, 6:55 pm
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       Oh thanks so much Tyler! Such a considered and thoughtful reply.
       I think it is precisely these concerns that have had me dragging
       my feet a little. And I feel much better now. It is incredible
       to me that your friends and family haven't noticed the changes.
       But then again I was thinking of how so many people look so
       different to their photos. A little while ago I met a bunch of
       people that I had only ever seen a little passport-like photo
       of, and I barely recognized them. I've also heard it said that
       some people who are incredibly beautiful/handsome in life
       photograph terribly and vice versa. I once saw a girl who I
       thought was extremely plain, she had makeup, hair and lighting
       applied as part of a fashion shoot, and became stunning. I
       remembered being stunned. It is something to do with the camera
       picking up bone structure in a way that the human eye doesn't
       privilege perhaps. Some people have theorized that when we talk
       to someone we see an animated face as attractive. Who knows
       though.
       I do want to do this. I had terrible dental work done in my
       teens and they forced my teeth back. I don't have a lower jaw
       and my profile is very sunken. I have very large teeth and a
       very small jaw. It has also caused sinus problems and I'm
       beginning to think that my one leg shorter than the other is
       from the dental work.
       I really think you look wonderful. And that is great your
       singing voice has more of a range. I'd love to sing. Can't at
       all!
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 13, 2013, 7:33 pm
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       I'm glad that I could address some of your concerns. I would
       like to make a statement to potentially assuage your concerns
       regarding 'Alpha' personality types, as well, but I will do so
       later when I have more energy to recall the point.
       I am sad to hear that your face has become distorted, but you
       will surely attain a more aesthetically appealing profile
       through performing NCR, and through face-pulling. My own
       profile, which was also very sunken in the past, has changed
       considerably. Furthermore, if any nagging doubt lingers in your
       mind, let me assure you that there are many benefits in letting
       go of the distorted features which have, in my cases, become
       like a second ego that has become grafted onto our
       consciousness. The benefits would seem to defy my ability to
       express them effectively in words, but I can say confidently
       that with an optimized facial-bone structure comes a more
       integrated, peaceful, and majestic life.
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Walrus
       Date: May 15, 2013, 12:29 pm
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       Tyler, your FP results are astounding!
       In examining your method to determine how you were achieving
       this, I realized the only (IMO) significant difference was that
       you were pulling from your back molars whereas I was pulling
       from my eye-teeth.
       Now, I have been using a mouthguard with shoelaces instead of
       the retainer and helmet.  My belief though is that although both
       of these devices are obviously very physically different, they
       should perform the same task ie. applying a light forward force
       on the maxilla.
       So the other night I moved the shoelaces to the back molars and
       tried FP.
       Success!  I actually felt slight soreness in my cheekbones and
       eye area.  Chills too.  And after treatment, as I lay in bed, I
       felt warmth rushing through me.  I also felt extremely energetic
       and happy.  I had not previously experienced anything like this
       in all my FP attempts.
       I've only been doing this a couple days, so I need more time to
       accurately determine if it is working.  I am hopeful now though
       that I can achieve results like Tyler!
       Finally a couple question for Tyler:  Have you treatment more
       than once a day at all?  I initially found myself craving
       treatment, much like I did with NCR.  I indulged this craving
       yesterday though, treating several times, so the feeling has
       much subsided today.  I was planning on indulging until I gained
       an aversion to treatment (like I did with NCR).  I know the
       orgoneproducts guys have strongly urged against over-treatment
       though, so I am a little apprehensive.  I do believe though that
       over-treatment requires excessive treatment over an extended
       period of time, whereas I feel my aggressive initial treatment
       will eventually settle into something gentler and more
       consistent.  I believe over-treatment requires not listening to
       one's body as to whether things are improving or not.  I think
       it requires a conscious mind's impatience ignoring what the body
       is saying.  Anyways Tyler, do you have any experience of
       thoughts on this matter?
       Did you experience soreness beyond the first few treatments
       Tyler?  Or did things eventually "settle down" as your body
       became accustomed to treatment?  Can you describe any symptoms
       you experience during and after treatment?
       Thanks!
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 15, 2013, 2:36 pm
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       With pleasure.
       After treating myself for nearly two months, I still experience
       mild soreness after pulling; and, occasionally, I experience
       soreness during, albeit I always proceed until half an hour is
       up. Certainly, I have been tempted to do treat myself in excess,
       but I have only treated myself once per day.
       I cannot offer any insight regarding excessive treatment, but I
       do not recommend it. The author of the blog you indicated in
       your recent post suggested that his own progress was delayed by
       six months because of excessive pulling, so I do not wish to
       tempt fate - nor do I encourage you to do so.
       Unfortunately, I cannot say that my circumstance accurately
       reflects your own because, so far, I have not experienced any
       sensation of relaxation and peacefulness during treatment, yet I
       am not certain why this is so. It is worth noting that I am a
       very vigilant individual, which may account for the seeming lack
       of endorphin-release. Nevertheless, I experience occasional
       soreness in my cheekbones, so I know that the procedure is
       working. Evidently, the photographic evidence that I have
       provided can offer some manner of testimony, as well.
       I did not see results immediately. Furthermore, because I have a
       habit of obsessing over my appearance in the mirror, my own
       gradual progress has been rendered invisible to my vision.
       I encourage you to take at least one self-portrait now, so that
       you have something to look back on, if you possess only a
       poor-quality camera. You need not feel obligated to share your
       results, as there will certainly be enough testimonies in the
       future as these procedures become more widespread. By capturing
       an image, however, you will be able to gauge your own gradual
       changes. To that end, it is something that occasionally
       brightens my day, and lifts my spirits in times when I am not
       feeling excited about anything.
       P.S. I feel that my communication in this instance is quite
       sterile; hence, I overlooked the fact that I felt an incredible
       amount of happiness while reading your post! Knowing that you
       managed to succeed makes me very glad. I look forward to hearing
       more about your progress in the future!
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Walrus
       Date: May 18, 2013, 8:54 pm
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       EDIT:  ***PLEASE SEE THE THREAD "What I've Learnt (So Far) About
       Cranial Restructuring" FOR MY UPDATE ON FP AND CRANIAL
       RESTRUCTURING***
       I've been having great success with face-pulling the last few
       days and would like to share my method.
       Please note that I've only been using this method for a few
       days, so things may be subject to change ie.  I hope I'm not
       jumping the gun here.
       I am not following the conventional method with the retainer and
       hockey mask.  Instead I am using a mouthguard with a shoelace
       attached (sorry for the terrible picture!):
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       It cost less that $5 for materials.
       Holes are punched (I used a kitchen knife) near the eye-teeth
       and by the back-molars (these holes I made along the "crease"
       ie. where the mouthguard goes from horizontal to vertical as
       this is the sturdiest part of the mouthguard.  I use a single
       shoelace which goes along the back as it creates a sturdier
       structure.
       To use, I simply put it in my mouth, hold it in place gently
       with my tongue (tongue is above the lace at the back), and pull
       on the laces with my hands.
       I have found pulling hard on the laces works best for me.  If I
       can't feel anything in my skull then I am not pulling hard
       enough.  I also prefer to pull more frequently but for shorter
       durations.
       Results so far (sorry, no pictures) are similar to Tyler's ie.
       stronger brow, more prominent cheekbones, stronger chin, more
       horizontal and defined jawline.  I am amazed at the results I
       have achieved in so short a period of time.
       IMO, NCR and FP achieve very different results.  NCR is
       improving my skull shape, symmetry, taller forehead, and other
       more subtle changes.  FP simply pulls the maxilla forward.
       However, this creates drastic changes in the face.  If done
       successfully, I believe FP can rapidly improve looks and
       function.
       I am very grateful to have discovered both these techniques!
       So if anyone is interested in attempting FP but doesn't have a
       retainer or hockey helmet, give this method a try.  It is so
       easy and there is almost nothing to lose (except a few dollars)!
       
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Tyler
       Date: May 18, 2013, 11:03 pm
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       Your method is very ingenious, Walrus! I might try it out in the
       future, just so I have something to compare against the hockey
       mask method. Lately, I have also been curious about what I will
       refer to as 'face-spiraling'; appropriately, referring to the
       updated procedure which Plato describes in vague detail on his
       web site. I am beginning to wonder how this procedure might be
       improved on... yet I presently have trouble imagining what Plato
       might be describing.
       I have attached another photograph to demonstrate my progress.
       It has now been approximately 60 days since I started
       (previously thought to be 70).
       My progress has seemed to slow down lately, in that the changes
       are no longer as pronounced; however, the space between my
       eyebrows where you can easily detect a shadow is becoming closer
       to becoming "closed" as my nose is drawn outward to smooth out
       the area. The expression in my eyes also seems much different
       now. I am not certain why it is so, but my complexion is also
       remarkably healthier-looking. In the past, I possessed a pasty,
       sickly complexion that received many comments; yet, while I have
       not spent any significant period of time tanning in the sun, my
       "pale" complexion is now a rosy peach colour that I am growing
       quite fond of, and which has received positive compliments.
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       Re: What are peoples "Face Pulling" experiences?
   DIR By: Jay
       Date: June 7, 2013, 2:15 am
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       Hi there,
       Thanks for the mouthguard idea! Did you buy a single mouthguard
       (for just the top row of teeth), or a double one?
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