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Long term progress
DIR By: Vardy
Date: August 3, 2016, 1:40 am
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Just thought I'd touch on the topic of ncr progress,
specifically long term results. As we're all aware it's quite
easy to obtain rapid expansion and manipulation of the
skullbones once you've got the hang of self treatment. But after
the sutures close back up the widening does subside.. At least
for myself. In my case I've had great success in achieving
expansion and forward movement in the cheek zygomatic area, as
well as gaining noticeable symmetry to the eyes and nose too.
But as I mentioned I find my skull will crush back towards its
original mal developed shape and if there are permanent changes
compounding, they're hardly noticeable if not non existent imo.
There are positives to the treatment no doubt. But I wish I was
forewarned about the necessity of frequent inflations to
maintain the change. For me personally, I find the toll of
stretching the skin on my face and unpredictability of results
too much of a burden to inflate forever.
I wonder if this is a reason many original forum members went
quiet? Anyway would love it if experienced cranial manipulators
chimed in with their 2 cents.
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Re: Long term progress
DIR By: nobody
Date: August 3, 2016, 9:38 pm
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The body can't, of course, avoid automatically degrading to the
level where its support begins.
You need to open your whole musculature in order to be able to
maintain the body in a posture that supports the maxilla. Do the
mckenzie tuck all day long until your neck can be held high in a
position that pushes the mandible along with tongue towards
maxilla automatically.If you sit alot, you probably need to
stretch your hips and legs a lot too, since all your muscles
from the upper end of neck down to toes are connected together
Once you're agile enough to comfortably stand straight and tall,
your overall head angle will be so downwards that jaws will
naturally be pushed against the neck muscles and so they stay
shut and maintain the progress you make for the rest of your
life.
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Re: Long term progress
DIR By: Vardy
Date: August 4, 2016, 10:00 pm
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Thanks for the input nobody. I do agree with everything you
said, muscular and skeletal posture surely plays a large role in
this whole game.
I mentioned stretching of the skin in which I have
unfortunately experienced. For myself this is probably my main
concern with ncr (albeit an aesthetic concern) but I am quite
young and my skin has aged considerably since starting. While I
do think correct posture will aid in holding the jaws in their
ideal position, I don't think it can maintain the expansion you
get in the rest of the skull.
This expansion isn't just in your' frontal face as we know, but
around the circumference of your head. Theres only one way I can
see permanence in change after the ncr inflations. That being
for bone to grow and fill in between the sutures while they're
opened and before they close.
Anyone else had a similar experience with skin and not being
consistent with treatment? It may be just in my case, as I have
quite a narrow skull that seems maluable to change... One
extreme to the other, wide face to thin recurring, vice versa
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Re: Long term progress
DIR By: reenochrobinson
Date: August 5, 2016, 8:42 am
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Hi Vardy, I'm relatively new to this process, so I cannot offer
any informed assessment of the durability of results. That being
said, any visible changes I have observed have been far more
subtle than what you describe, so their regression would also be
pretty subtle. You seem to suggest that NCR is somehow creating
a divergence along the sutures to the point that your head
enlarges and stretches your skin before eventually coming back
together, and you are asking about how to maintain such a
separation. As I understand it, we are only trying to loosen the
connective tissue to allow shifts parallel to the suture lines
rather than perpendicular separation as you describe. Ideally,
the volume of your head shouldn't be changing so much as just
rearranging the shape. As "Nobody" says above, these changes
could be maintained or enhanced by proper posture (body, head,
tongue, etc.), but are likely to revert if the resting position
of surrounding muscles pull the bone structure back to the
original position. The expansion from the NCR treatment isn't
adjusting the shape of your head so much as it is just loosening
the sutures to allow for release of existing tension and for
mewing, chewing, posture, etc., to realign the bones in a
preferable position.
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Re: Long term progress
DIR By: MJON
Date: August 7, 2016, 1:23 pm
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Vardy, I've noticed that if I don't do NCR or face pulling for a
while that I seem to regress. However this could be a placebo
sort of thing- I think I haven't treated for a while so I will
look worse, and I analyse with that in mind.
Make sure you take photographs constantly to mark changes
objectively.
Also, I had a brain wave the other day- we have these problems
because over time our faces have developed that way. They must
have developed that way for a reason- bad posture, incorrect
swallowing, etc. so even if we do NCR or use a palate expander,
it's not sorting why our faces developed that way in the first
place.
It's like alleviating the symptom without fixing the problem.
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Re: Long term progress
DIR By: Improvement
Date: August 7, 2016, 1:33 pm
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what MJON said, changes will revert only if you don't fix the
root problem first.
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