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Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: W
Date: July 1, 2016, 5:46 am
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Someone on CP's site, commented that every action, has an equal
and opposite action. Therefore, pushing the tongue too
forcefully on the palate, can create just as much force, pushing
downwards, which may cause facial lengthening. They said, if
the face feels tight, the maxilla can’t move forwards against
tight muscles, either.
But, as long as the upwards force is gentle, keeping the teeth
in full contact would offset any opposing, downward force,
wouldn't it?
That said, when you're face-pulling (especially with a belt, or
a mouthguard), it's hard to keep the teeth in full contact.
Also, what if, when the face is left to fully relax, all of the
teeth and the lips tend to slightly, lose contact...Would face
pulling retrude the upper teeth and create more distance between
the top and bottom and lengthen the face, over time?
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: Improvement
Date: July 1, 2016, 6:20 am
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It's true for the tongue because it's placed between both the
maxilla and the jaw
Third law of Newton, For every action, there is an equal and
opposite reaction.
The thing is that your tongue is not supposed to push, it's
supposed to hold the maxilla, locking it only to grow forward
and not downwards. That's why oral posture has a mild effect on
adults; they're not growing anymore.
It's different for face pulling because you're not "pushing"
you're "pulling" and the interaction is made between your face
pulling device and the maxilla
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: W
Date: July 1, 2016, 8:37 am
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Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up! So, it doesn't matter
if my teeth are in contact or not, when I'm face pulling. But
will the interaction with the device, cause the upper teeth to
retrude? I'm a bit worried about this, especially as I have a
'tongue-between-molars' posture due to lack of space, and I tend
to mouth breathe when I'm asleep...
#Post#: 1158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: Improvement
Date: July 1, 2016, 9:22 am
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No, your teeth will not retrude, you don't have to worry about
that.
Take this as an example:
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Your teeth will only HOLD their place until you provide a force
enough to move them, they will not move backward
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: Gucci Gang
Date: July 1, 2016, 9:59 am
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Lmfao, ive been pushing hard and upward for months, fuck, no
wonder i have gigangtic bags and holes under my eyes just in the
last months
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: W
Date: July 1, 2016, 10:24 am
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Well, that's one thing less to worry about! Thanks @Improvement
Last week, I tried face pulling for the first time, by clenching
my molars down on the middle of a ribbon, and pulling the ends,
up. I've been worried ever since. Firstly, because I felt
aches in my forehead and the area just above my eyebrows. (I'm
female, so I don't want a thickened ridge above my brows!). No
feelings in my cheekbones, either.
Secondly, I've now got a tiny bit of sclera showing under the
right iris. (Got a little under my left iris, but it's been like
that for years, and has remained unchanged). I don't think my
face has lengthened-looks much the same. Plus, on another
thread, it was suggested that, maybe my head posture had
improved, but my maxilla has yet to swing up.
But, I've been scared that I damaged myself; that the face
pulling is doing something to the top of my skull (which is
narrow), or even, that it was rotating my maxilla the wrong way,
somehow! I had to be awkward..
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: Improvement
Date: July 1, 2016, 7:05 pm
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I recommend you to take photos every week.
If you're serious about this you should avoid measuring changes
with your own perception which could not be accurate all the
time; your mind can mislead you, or a placebo effect can take
place. When you're under this kind of procedure in which your
appearance can be messed or fixed you want to be completely sure
that you're going to the right place
By taking photos, you evade the danger of realizing too late
that you were undergoing an unbeneficial treatment
I cannot give you a word on what happened because I don't
believe in short-hard forces to remodel bones. I think that your
neck received too much stress, and now it's tilting your head
down
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: W
Date: July 2, 2016, 6:10 am
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You're right. It probably is my perception because I'm paying
more attention to things that didn't bother me, before. Now
that I'm trying to make changes, I'm taking notice of every
little thing. For example, I didn't realise that my head
posture, when looking in the mirror, is rarely straight on.
Either, my head is tilted back/eyes down, or it's tilted
forward/eyes up. Now, I'm noticing how my eyes look with the
correct posture.
That said, the sclera isn't terrible. Not at all. In fact,
someone would only notice if they're really close up. But,
because I'm aware that there isn't supposed to be any at all,
I'm more picky about it, I guess....
I've re-started face pulling, but more gently this time. Think
my face looks a tad fuller? But, other times, I think I'm
imagining it! Not sure what the feelings are above my eyes...
Perhaps the pulling is doing something to my sinuses.
Will proceed with caution from now on, just in case it's not
helping, as you say. But, if things improve, I wouldn't rule
out some self-NCR in the future, if I can learn how to do it.
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Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: Improvement
Date: July 2, 2016, 7:36 am
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Yes, things look really different when you put a keen eye on
them
Keep your thread updated with results of your face pulling if
you can :), that way people may have a clue on what is working
and what is not
It's awesome that you're considering NCR, I give you my word
that it truly works, is not a miracle as some people make it
look but after some time it shows results.
Also, remember that this is not a race, everything that is worth
of being proud of it is not easy to obtain. Keep your focus and
determination, life will provide what you're asking for, give it
time.
#Post#: 1165--------------------------------------------------
Re: Opposite Forces & Bite
DIR By: W
Date: July 2, 2016, 8:36 am
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Will do. And thank you for your encouraging words :)
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