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Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: a8b9
Date: June 16, 2016, 12:40 pm
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Hello everyone! I'm new here and have been searching high and
low for all of the cranial restructuring info I can find .. I've
gone back and read the different threads in this forum ..
Fascinating so far and absolutely inspiring!! I want to start my
own NCR/face pulling journey but am not sure where to begin.
Like many of you, I had traditional orthodontics as a child to
treat crooked teeth and an overbite/overjet. None of my teeth
were removed, fortunately, but I ended up with the long-ish
face, gummy smile, and lips that couldn't close comfortably. My
treatment lasted about three years and I was finished by 12
years old or so. I stopped wearing my retainer shortly after
that, and in the past several years (I'm 26 now) noticed that my
teeth had started to shift again.
So long story short, I found Claiming Power's website a year and
a half ago, learned about palate expansion and proper tongue
posture, and decided to start my journey from there. I'd always
been self conscious of my gummy smile and felt I definitely had
the downward maxilla growth (due to a dental arch that wasn't
big enough and improper tongue posture). I researched the
different adult palate expansion devices and decided to go with
the ALF. I was living in New York at the time and found an
orthodontist there who utilized ALF with Invisalign, went for a
consult and started treatment shortly thereafter.
It's been almost a year and a half now since I started this
process .. There's been improvement but now I'm wondering if
it's going to be enough to achieve the results I'm aiming for. I
had the ALF on for approximately 7.5 months, on my top teeth top
only. My ortho told me I needed to have my wisdom teeth removed
(3 were partially impacted, 1 was almost fully impacted)
because, even with expansion, I wasn't going to have enough room
for them to grow in. I decided to use a wait and see approach
and started Invisalign after the ALF .. The bottom left one
ended up getting infected this past January, and I had emergency
removal of both wisdom teeth on that side. I still have the two
on my right side (including the almost fully impacted one), but
they haven't come out any further and I'm trying to decide
whether I should have them removed or not .. ? I want to keep
them if I can make enough room, but now that the other side is
out I'm afraid of my face becoming noticeably asymmetrical ? I
was thinking of getting implants on the left side to re-balance
my face out ..
Anyhow, as I'm nearing the end of my Invisalign treatment
(before refinement), I've been trying to figure out what steps I
should take next. Although my dental arch has been made wider,
I'm not sure there's been any change to my actual facial
structure. I've been practicing proper tongue posture now that
I'm aware of it, however it's still a bit of a stretch for me to
close my lips around my teeth. The gummy smile is still there,
maybe not as bad as it was before, but still there, and I still
have the flat profile without much cheekbone projection.
Although I discussed all these issues with my ortho before
starting treatment, I'm now thinking I should have worn the ALF
longer and that I'm not on track to achieve those results with
this treatment ..
So now I'm not sure what I should do next. My next appointment
is in a month from now, at which point I'll have finished my
Invisalign trays and my ortho and I will decide if I need
refinements. My teeth look pretty good from a mainstream point
of view (re-straightened out, and I now almost have the 10-tooth
smile), but my primary goal was to fix the underlying structural
issues with my face, and that hasn't yet been achieved. Now that
I've been reading about NCR and face pulling, I want to start
doing one or both of them, but is Invisalign going to impede any
progress I can make ..? Should I wait until the Invisalign is
finished, or will any up and forward maxilla movement still be
hindered by me wearing a retainer? Is it possible to move the
maxilla & mandible without moving my teeth, or without having to
get them straightened out AGAIN?
Thank you so much to anyone who read through this whole thing!
TL;DR version: 26 years old-- Need up & forward jaw expansion.
Had ALF appliance for 7.5 months and currently undergoing
Invisalign treatment + proper tongue posturing. Want to try NCR
and/or face pulling-- should I wait until after Invisalign or
can I start now? Will wearing Invisalign retainer during
NCR/face pulling prevent expansion? Will NCR/face pulling mess
up the straightened teeth/improved bite I'm getting from
orthodontics?
Any input at all would be very helpful! You've all inspired me
through your posts here and a number of you seem quite
knowledgeable. Below are some pictures for reference. Thanks! (:
[img width=760 height=760]
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Wooo! I finally got the pictures to show up. (:
Top left is just before I started ALF/Invisalign. Top right is
what my teeth currently look like (I'm wearing my aligners in
the picture). Bottom left is also a recent picture, but without
the aligners on and a non-exaggerated, more relaxed smile.
Bottom right shows the flatness of mid face area-- my teeth are
together, lips slightly apart. Lips all the way together looks
awkward on me because it's still a stretch to close them
completely over my teeth .. My lower lip has to overcompensate
to meet the upper lip and under-chin area becomes weirdly
rounded when I do so.
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: James
Date: June 16, 2016, 5:56 pm
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Hi there a8b9, this doesn't relate to your post specifically but
there is tons of really interesting info about ortho Invisalign,
the alf, dentists in general ect at
HTML https://curedystonia.wordpress.com
It's mainly focussed on the use of a dental splint to rebalance
the body in the same way as the starecta method, but there is
lots of interesting info.
I think it could be beneficial to do ncr as well as your current
ortho, I'm not sure about face pulling though.
Cheers, james
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: Improvement
Date: June 16, 2016, 7:44 pm
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Hi a8b9, It depends.
How are you going to Facepull? If you want to use your teeth as
anchorage then you need something to keep them straight because
Facepulling can mess your occlusion. It would be good to do
while you're still using invisalign
If you are going to pull applying force to your palate then it's
ok no matter what
PD: It's weird how you had expansion for so long and still there
was no space for wisdom and your smile is still gummy :o Your
maxilla might have more problems rather than only crooked teeth.
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: a8b9
Date: June 16, 2016, 11:31 pm
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James, thank you for the link. It looks like quite a bit to read
through but I'll check it out when I have more time!
Improvement, thank you also for your input. I would love to try
face pulling without putting any direct force on my teeth, if
possible. I'd imagine tongue posture/swallowing is the ideal way
to do that but is there another way that will bring faster, more
dramatic results? It feels like my palate is high/deep, if that
makes sense-- like my tongue has a hard time laying completely
flat against it-- so I may not even be doing the tongue stuff
100% correctly.. :-\
As far as not having enough space for the wisdom teeth .. That's
what makes me question whether my ortho expanded enough. It
seems as if she expanded sideways some but not really forwards.
Also, she said I didn't need an ALF on bottom so I don't think
there's been too much expansion at all there. I think it's
partially a genetic issue for me too as I have large teeth
combined with a small-ish mouth + jaw.
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: Improvement
Date: June 17, 2016, 3:43 pm
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Well, it's genetic in every living-being to develop a body
capable of fitting every element of its own anatomy.
Sadly, humans are ruined. Maybe you had bad habits during your
childhood which didn't allow a full development of your body.
Also, you don't look that bad, and you don't have a gummy smile
Your jaw looks well positioned which means that your teeth are
ok, but it is not straight, and your gonial angle is wide as
well. Probably because you failed at maintaining a good posture
Do exercises for the masseter and chew hard gum, keep your lips
closed, teeth on slight contact, tongue on top and breath thru
your nose. As I can see on the photo you ain't closing your lips
( You may be too old to get good results from good oral posture,
anyway, it's not a reason to not do it )
Try to take another photo in a better angle, hold the phone
against a wall at your height level
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: Believer
Date: June 17, 2016, 8:01 pm
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Hi, a8b9 if you really want to try face pulling without
anchoring force on the teeth try hooking your thumb behind upper
incisors and pull it gently for 3 to 4 minutes daily. You will
feel difference in 2 to 3 weeks. Also continue to work Mewing.
Good luck.
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: a8b9
Date: June 29, 2016, 10:44 am
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Thank you, James and Believer. Sorry for the late response!
Believer, I've been trying to push up and forwards with my
tongue throughout the day but I will try with my thumbs too. I
also plan on going for some NCR sessions this fall, so I'll keep
you all posted. (:
Best of luck to everyone here .. I would also suggest that
everyone look into nutrition and supplements for healing, bone
building/strengthening, etc., if you haven't already; also,
binaural beats and essential oils, anything that can aid in an
energetic sense.
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Re: Currently undergoing Invisalign-- Can I do NCR/face pulling?
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DIR By: Gucci Gang
Date: June 30, 2016, 5:53 am
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Good luck with everything, try to check some more posts becuase
theres alot of good information scattered on this sight. Check
out one of the most recent posts "Chewing With Incisors", theres
an even new and better technique thats faster, brings the
maxilla foward and widens the jaw and palette, and gives you
even more noticably better facial structure and cheekbones, and
a way nicer face overall, its easy and uses just a belt and your
hands.
You look pretty damn good aready, but after all this youre gonna
look even 10x Times more Stunning.
Good luck, keep on going.
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