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Re: Plato's & Tylers - Before & After Picture comparison
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By: Tyler Date: June 26, 2018, 2:05 pm
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It looks to me like, because the lighting is similar, that my
face did not even change drastically much between this more
recent 'after' pic and my very first 'before' pic, and yet
somehow the shift is just there because things look more
proportionally balanced and proportionally beautiful.
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Re: Plato's & Tylers - Before & After Picture comparison
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By: Progress Date: June 28, 2018, 4:30 pm
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Ha, I used to be deep into MBTI and Jungian psychology too and I
agree with Ryan that you are a clear INFP Tyler. I think the
most obvious signs are how you can write to such extent about
your experiences, and the authentic way you express yourself.
Your gaze also seems gentle yet intelligent in a way that is
often prevalent among intuitive feelers.
What's your type Ryan? I seem to fall somewhere along the NT
axis, probably INTP.
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Re: Plato's & Tylers - Before & After Picture comparison
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By: Ryan Date: June 29, 2018, 11:29 am
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Also INTP. I'm really into MBTI/the 16 personalites..I talk
about it everyday
As far as Tyler, yes that was also the reason I thought he was
an INFP
MBTI types on this forum
It would not surprise me if this forum had a high degree of
Extroverted Intuition types (for those less known about the
functions, these are INTP, INFP, ENTP, ENFP ) because they tend
to be into novel ideas and experimenting (or at least are not
afraid to experiment) . I think intuitive Te users would tend to
first want to hear "scientific evicence", and would not really
try to experiment on themselves, also because their Ni is much
more hestiant when it comes to experimenting) . I'd guess most
sensors will just find it odd, as long as it's not mainstream
enough. Although I think they'd also accept it if a man in a
white coat would tell them it works.
Although I mentioned extroverted intuition types being into such
thing, now I think of it I do think ENFP's are generally too
busy living in the moment to concentrate on such thing, nor
being often enough on the internet to find this dump - but
that's just an estimation)
Facial features & MBTI types related?
The odd but interesting thing is that that I seem to spot a
pattern in facials proportions among people who are certain mbti
type too. For example for INTP's it seems a very high degree of
them have a long head, relative weak jaws and cheekbones, a
relative long-ish nose and receded chin (basically a maxilla
that retracted and somewhat rotated). At least a good degree of
the ones I see online (youtube and such) and the ones I know in
real life just often seem to have that specific type of face.
Also I wondered if facial proportions and MBTI-types do turn out
to be correlated, whether these facial proportions are the cause
of being a specific type or a consequence of being the type.
Possibly politically incorrect theory/idea for some viewers
below
Because I seem to notice such a high degree of types like the
INTP have such a retracted maxilla and thus certain facial
proportions, I wonder if that is the thing that makes then on
average have that typical INTP personality and the also the
relative high IQ that seems to come with it. If we look at east
asians for example, who have the highest IQ's among the races
according to statistics, they also appear to have about the
about the most retracted maxilla's as far as it comes to
ehtnicities. Although for east-asians their flatter facial
structure seems to come naturally, for whites it seems they most
often seem to get a more retracted/receded maxilla when they do
things like mouthbreathing or for some other reason fail to
develop their face as seems intended by nature. I have the
impression the degree of INTP's in asia is higher too, although
I do not have numbers to back that up. However, on average east
asians seem quite introverted, thinkers and abstract (n), which
could explain why the stereotype is that they're good at math
(thinking abstractly).
If we look at how the different ethnicities on average look in
terms of facial structure, it seems that the average pattern is
that the ones who generally have the most retracted/receded
maxilla's also seem to have the highest IQs on average (average
east asians) , the ones with a "normal" maxilla average (average
white), and the ones with very protruding maxilla's (average
african) generally lower (IQ's all according to the statistics
avaliable about them). Africans are are usually perceived to be
the most talented when it comes to sports, which could be
somehow related to their more forward maxilla's, which could
make them more sensory based (in mbti terms) rather than
abstract based (N in mbti). Sensors are on average more into
sports and better at it (the ideal sport type is often described
as ESTP/ISTP)
Gender dimorphism, hormones & facial structure
Another pattern I seem to notice in people when comparing their
looks and their MBTI type, is that sensors more often have a
higher degree gender dimorphism than intuitives. For those who
are not familair with the term gender dimorphism, it is the
extend to which the organism (in this case human) has changed
from looking (and to a degree acting) like a child, towards
looking like an adult in the typical gender-stereotypical way.
This means that a high degree of diphormism makes boys change
into typical manly looking men, and changes girls into looking
like typical very feminine adult looking females. Gender
diphormism comes from being somewhat high in gender typical
hormones during puberty and changes the body and mind in that
period. This means that it gives men a more typical manly build
with wide shoulders,a thin waist, bigger jaws and chin,
naturally a relative athletic build and generally a bigger head
overal. (all because of facial and body bone growth). In a
similar manner it changes girls into woman where the ass and
thighs grow, the waste stays thin and breast grow bigger too.
Both men and woman who have high diphormism generally look older
than they are, because of the changes they had from looking like
a child towards looking like an adult are big. When they are 15
they might look 18, while a person who had low diphormism will
look somewhat young for their age for a large portion of their
life (untill wrinkes appear which give away age)
MBTI & gender diphormism
When looking at MBTI types and diphormism, it seems that sensors
have higher diphormism and intuitives lower. One might wonder
why is the case, as sensors do not appear more mature in every
way (they do in some). I wondered if this was related to the age
at which the child hits puberty. There have been studies that
show that the later a child hits puberty, the smarter they
generally become on average . I think that sensors get into
puberty early, while intuitives generally get into puberty
later. This older age that the child get's into puberty, allows
the child's mind to develop longer and thus becomes smarter ,
while gender diphormism in the form of puberty finalises the
amount that the brain is developed biologically. So with early
puberty, the person will grow into adulthood earlier too, but at
the expense of intelligence. It only seems that early puberty
results in a bigger change in gender diphormism, possibly
because the total age at which the body is programmed to be able
to change is limited. Later puberty possibly means that the
puberty is shorter too , which results in a lower degree of
gender diphormism
When looking around in your environment, you may notice that men
who do less intelligence based typical manual labour jobs (mbti
sensor), way more often have that stereotypical manly look about
them, in terms of body and facetype, while the absolute
opposite, the smart geek/nerd (mbti intuitive) will tend to look
somewhat young in both their face and body development (bones).
While most people are obviously somehere in between these 2
extremes, it appears that where they are on the spectrum of
being in between these 2 stereotypes, does seem to indicate
their level of (abstract)intelligence in a lot of cases.
Intelligence & accomplishment
Please note that when I talk about intelligence here, I talk
about a specific type of intelligence, which is close to the
IQ(-test) type of intellgence. Of course everyone is
intelligence in different ways and IQ just basically measures
one type of intelligence. While jobs are to a degree are
somewhat of an indicator of IQ- type of intelligence, often
other things also play a big role in achieving something like a
high status jobs, such as being hardworking, perseverance,
confidence, money, being goal orientated etc. So when I talk
about high intelligence, I mean raw IQ type of intelligence and
not having a high status job, because these are 2 quite
different things.
Please note that these are just my sujective thoughts about the
subjects, and in this particular case I am talking about
averages when I mention things and not individuals,
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Re: Plato's & Tylers - Before & After Picture comparison
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By: Progress Date: July 4, 2018, 8:49 am
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Good stuff. That is something I have thought about too and I
agree with most of your observations. It seems like kind of a
chicken-egg dilemma though. INTPs being preoccupied with the
abstract and thus less in tune with their physical bodies,
proper body posture may not be that intuitive to them. Or, is it
because they are structurally weak that they are compensating by
(or "trapped to") excessive intellectualism?
On the other hand, sensors who are aware of their body may find
it it easy to naturally allow the energies within to keep the
spine upright. When you are physically fit, athletic movements
become fun to perform. All kinds of sports seem to become more
enjoyable the better my anatomy becomes. I have also begun
appreciating the physical dynamics of social interactions on
deeper level. If someone is posturing in a dominant stance, I
can mirror it and perceive how it achieves a sense of mutual
respect. Likewise, if I assume a confident stance right from
the beginning of an interaction, I may find that other people
take a more submissive stance. It's a fascinating whole new
playground to conquer.
Neurotransmitters probably play a part in this. I think the
cognitive activity of sensors is more oriented around
stimulating neurotransmitters, which in turn gives the physical
energy to stand upright. I have noticed that the few times I
have taken recreational amphetamines my tongue is driving
against palate very hard. Intuitives on the other hand may be
oriented around calming neurotransmitters, which allow them to
tune out and focus on the abstract.
The ancient system of Chakras and Maslow's hierarchy of needs
are two systems that I have sought to fuse together with MBTI.
The brain extends down the spine via the spinal cord and
autonomous nervous system. More primal emotions and motivations
are felt closer to the base of the spine (think of
fight-or-flight, anxiety/fear, lust and dominance), and the more
transcendental and abstract near the upper end of the skull.
Each individual "lives through" a certain area of the nervous
system. Could it be that the conscious energy of sensors is more
focused around the hip area, and the conscious energy of
intuitives more focused around the skull?
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Re: Plato's & Tylers - Before & After Picture comparison
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By: Ryan Date: July 4, 2018, 4:52 pm
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I wanted to reply here in this thread, but I think it would be
fitting to make a new thread about this subject of how all these
things are (possibly) interconnected with eachother. This would
make it easier for anyone interested in it to find it, and also
keep this thread on-topic for those not interested in it.
I must say I'm very glad you know about these sort of things too
(like chakra's/mbti/face-body posture etc..) and also have
interest in how they're all interconnected , but given you're an
INTP too, it should not really surprise me (lol) . I was
thinking about posting about such things in some mbti channel or
so, but they of course have no clue what even a maxilla is, or
that can even alter a face in the ways people have managed to do
on this forum.
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