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#Post#: 947--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: October 26, 2015, 2:31 pm
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UPDATE:
Hey guys it has been long time since I wrote something on here.
Did not have the time etc. So it seems like the Face Pulling
progress is slowing down but it still feels very good and
relaxing and I am still seeing and feeling results.
But back to the problem child NCR again. Letīs just say I tried.
Often. Very often. I basically try every day and I can not even
get it into the turbinates. They seem super tight. I dont know
whats wrong. This always feels like super devastating and like a
waste of time. But I know what kind of benefits you can expect.
I know how it could help me fix my problems. So I will keep
going.
But the problems already start when attaching the finger cot.
And then when I want to direct it into the turbinates it just
wont work. I would really like to have some help, someone who
could guide me a little bit.
I am keeping you updated.
#Post#: 948--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Ryan
Date: October 30, 2015, 3:14 pm
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Hey Ds Slash and others!,
I just signed up here, but i've been reading about NCR/face
pulling for the last couple of weeks. Too bad your NCR is not
working out! It does seem difficult to me, so I'm suprised
others find it easy apparently. It's cool your face pulling does
work though, in the softer approach that you later started.
I was wondering how you how you think the face pulling results
are going (so not right now, but overal)?
- Do you notice it in your face alot? Has alot changed there?
What did you see changing? Did your face get wider..more
cheekbones...and did your brow change? For example, is it
comparable to tyler's face pulling, or is the difference smaller
(although apparently he did NCR too, although I'm not sure if he
did that before or after the result pics) I take it you dont
hafve pictures or do you ? (or maybe you can email me but if you
dont wanna thats ok too!)
- I also wondered where you got your custom retainer. I'd like
to get one too, but I'm not sure what the best way to start is.
I can imagine someplace online is the easiest?
#Post#: 950--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: October 30, 2015, 4:10 pm
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Hey Ryan,
to be honest I kinda feel like the face pulling is plateauing a
bit, like the progress seems to slow down and I do not feel it
that much anymore.
But the changes are there, though I do not think they are as
massive as Tylers. I definetly have a little bit of a wider
face, better jaw line more pronounced cheek bones and my tongue
fits better in my mouth.
I saw in Transformes thread, that you asked about the
personality changes. The truth is, that is the real reason I
started, and because I wanted to imrpove things like narrow rib
cage and posture etc.
I think there really is some change, but it is really subtle and
it takes really a lot of time. Like maybe after a year or so,
the changes in the personality will be really feelable. I hope
that helps.
If I were you, I would search the web for some kind of online
dental lab that does this. Show them the pictures of the
retainer on platos website and ask them if they could make one
for you. That is how I did it at least.
#Post#: 951--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Ryan
Date: October 30, 2015, 5:18 pm
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ok thanks for the reply . great you answered those questions
too. I thought of them after I asked you. I think personality
may even be harder to answer, as you are always trapped within
yourself with your own perfection. If you become happier, you
might think view things in your life as better, while actually
just your own perception changed.
#Post#: 952--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: October 31, 2015, 4:11 pm
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I really think that personality depends very much on structure.
Like for example all those guys with high testosterone have
amazing jaws and big skulls. I think that if the skull is small
and the bones and the jaw and the maxilla are not fully
developed, it not only excerts pressure on your brain but also
traps your personality. If you are familiar with the work of
Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Lowen, you know that both of them
thought that the body and the mind are tightly interconnected
and that "your body is your mind". Also they thought that all
kinds of personality disorders (arise because of childhood
experiences and than) manifest themselves in the body due to
muscular armoring etc and by releasing that muscular armoring,
that tension in your body you can eliminate those disorders. But
I think the missing link was the maxilla, or the skull in
general. Those techniques release tension in the skull and grow
new bone or expand it I believe. I really think that you can get
changes with this but the big changes will only be visible if
you connect everything and than after more time has passed like
a year so. The question is just how far you can go with that.
That is just my personal opinion and thought process. We will
see, it certainly does not do any harm.
UPDATE:
Also I wanted to briefly update my NCR experiences. Today I
could kinda get it into the turbinates but only on the right
sides again sadly. However I was not able to push through into
the open space and get the good release. I pumped a little bit
and felt that I am actually in turbinates but I really did not
get any release. This is still some major progress though. I
feel like I am getting closer again and I know eventually I will
reach it. Very soon. Iīll keep you updated.
#Post#: 955--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Ryan
Date: November 4, 2015, 8:45 am
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DS_Slash,
Just as you had in the first place (i read your topic post about
it) I'm having a hard time with the retainer part
Something I do not understand yet:
- The website from plato showed such a retainer with a part in
the middel that could be expanded. It says this is not needed
and then shows an item that seems to be a fixed shape palstic
item (called mouthguard) that also should work for face pulling.
THe thing i do not understand is how your palate can become
wider, if you have a retainer (mouthguard) that is a fixed
plastic shape. Then as soon as your palate will widen from the
face pulling, it stops fitting , I would say? Could you fill me
in about this
Should it look like this this
HTML http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/images/modified-palate-expander-1.jpg
or this look like this
HTML http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/images/modified-palate-expander-1.jpg
- You suggested I would find a dental lab for this. Could you
tell me the lab that you used, so I know they can make me
something like this? Did you suggest to make it extra strong in
that certain area that plato's site suggests? Did you tell me
what you made it for?
Thanks alot!
Ryan
PS: I find it very intruiging also the body and mind are
connected. I suffer from bowel issues, and I've been aware of
this for a long time, as my mood goes up and down based on bowel
function, so to say. If i ate something I had a hard time
digesting, I would notice to get the emotion of nervousness over
me . I think also the somatypes (ectomorph/mesomorph/endomorph)
theorie is related to this..and the shapes of faces and
personalies..very interesting. It would be cool to make a topic
just about that!
I would greatly appreciate your help!
#Post#: 960--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: November 7, 2015, 6:23 am
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The thing is, the dental lab was in germany and I dont think it
would be possible to do it international or very expensive as a
couple times shipping are involved, you have to make impressions
yourself etc etc.
But you posted 2 times the same picture and yes it should like
this although you could use a normal hawley retainer if you had
one.
Also some major Upate:
I have not felt it those last couple of weeks as much as early
september. During that time I felt like it was working super
well, and like my thinking and personality were changing for the
better. Than it somehow stopped from one moment to the other. I
think I figured out why, yesterday. I actual feel really dumb
because I think I have wasted more than a month. So I have the
same hockey helmet as Plato on the website. Although the grating
in the front is different (like a newer version probably) On his
website he runs the rubber bands through the second whole from
the bottom. I always had to run it through the third I think to
achieve a similar pulling angle, but probably started to run it
through the second and the pulling angle wasnīt really pulling
up but nearly down. I do not think I have been pulling down as I
always have been pulling it up but just neutral to the front
which did not really do anything, except place stress on the
teeth maybe. Now that I do it through the third whole again, it
is pulling up and I feel it in my palate and my maxilal at a
very slight force already. Also this feeling of relaxation and
all the other sensations are coming back like slight endorphin
rush etc. I am so happy guys. The truth is I am not a hundred
percent sure as I never made pictures how I used the helmet but
I really thing this was it. I do not know how this could happen.
Probably because I was in a rush sometime when I used the helmet
and also didnīt do it without a mirror.
Now the marks on my face that appeared after face pulling are
present again. I already wondered why they werenīt there the
last few weeks and was happy, because they are annoying but
luckily they leave after a couple minutes.
I am happy guys.
Also yesterday I was able to have some progress with NCR. I was
able to get some release in my right side. I really couldnīt
push it through completly in the open space but atleast I could
release it a little bit in the turbinates. Now I think I know
what Ben meant with releasing it in the turbinates a couple of
months before he figured the right way out. It is better than
nothing. When I tried it in the top right one, the balloon
exploded though, I used it to often without changing because I
never really fully inflated it. Wasnīt pleasant but I imagined
it way worse. Some fear is gone now.
I look forward to the next days and treatments. I know I am on
the right track again.
I will keep you updated guys.
#Post#: 961--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Ryan
Date: November 7, 2015, 5:17 pm
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Congrats DS slash! I've gotta say, that your determination is
admirable! So basically you've just been pulling the wrong way
(partly). That sucks....But good you found out, so you and
everyone who reads this can see by your example how important it
is to push the force upwards too!.
I think , maybe , who knows, even most force has to go upwards
since face pulling in a way imitates the effect of having
correct tongue posture. Although that force is longer and less
intense, and face pulling shorter and more intense, they both
add pressure to that area. (together with with the right
swallowing techniques.. also force towards the roof of the
mouth)
I can't wait to start with all this myself!
Greets!
Ryan
#Post#: 962--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Ryan
Date: November 7, 2015, 6:19 pm
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Hey DS_Slash
I was wondering:
With just a general harley retainer , would you not have the
problem that is not possible for your teeth and jaw to become
wider? that is the whole thing I do not get. How can your teeth
change from a narrow smile towards a 8 or 10 teeth smile, if the
retainer has no ability to widen and keep fitting that way?
Germany is not such a problem, since I am from the netherlands,
which is located next to it! Was it hard to find a dental lab
that accepted this idea, or did you have to go to a few to find
one that was willing to make you one?
Did you just get a harley retainer, or something that is more
flexible in shape? That' s just one thing i do not get..How can
your teeth become ' wider' if the retainer is made when your
smile was narrow. Then lets say you do face pulling and your
teeth
I attached a picture to explain my question better
#Post#: 963--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: November 10, 2015, 1:30 pm
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Hey Ryan I am going to message you the details in a couple of
days, am busy right now.
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