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My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: July 31, 2015, 2:07 pm
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Hello guys,
So I finally decided to create this Self NCR and Face Pulling
Diary. I have finally got my custom made retainer style
appliance with 4 "hooks" instead of 2 a couple of days ago as I
did not have braces.
I have been reading a lot for the last couple of months and
finally am doing it.
But first a little bit about me:
I have always been considered attractive, even though I have a
receeding jaw, which makes me have a double chin sometimes even
though I have not much fat, no cheek bones and a rather long
face. Probably because of hair style, hygiene, clothes, muscles
etc. But still I want to maximize my facial attractivness but
this is not the main point why I am doing this.
I more want to just get healthy and fix some health problems
etc. also just become as I was intented to be. I also wanted to
make space for my 2 remaining left wisdom tooth, as the removal
of the other 2 was horrible and I do not want to do that again.
This also led me here. On top of this I try to get lots of
sleep, workout, good nutrition, chew tough chewing gum and
practice tongue posture which is still very hard. So enough
about me, lets just begin with the diary. I am writing most of
those first 6 days from memory.
I am writing this diary even though the forum seems to be dead,
as I think maybe someone will find this forum like me and read
this and maybe get something out of this for their own
treatment. Of course I would also greatly appreciate anyone
reading this, who already knows how things need to be done to
give me sime tips.
Day 1:
This was the day the NCR stuff finally arrived. I tried it and
it was freaking hard to attach the finger cot to the bulb but I
kinda managed it. I could not imagine how to get the finger cot
in the nasal passages before and even after trying I do not know
how to do it right. I tried every passage on both sites even
though I wanted to make an asymetrical treatment, but I treated
the left more than the right side. I dont think I did it right,
and most of the time my nose started to get bigger while
inflating the balloon, and I do not think this is how it is
supposed to be. Anyway I think something happened and my nose
got a little bit straighter.
Day 2:
This time I tried treating the right side. Same as the last
time. Nose felt a little bit straighter again.
Day 3:
This time I treated the left side again. Nothing new. I still do
not think I can do it right. I think maybe my finger cots are
too small and I still dont think I really get correctly into the
nasal passages and into that open space.
Day 4:
I wanted to take a break from NCR this day and now only treat
every second day, as this was what I orignally intended to do.
But the Face pulling retainer finally arrived ( I tried
building one from a mouthguard like from the website and like
Walrusses but I failed).
So first face pulling session. I was really excited as this was
what I was really waiting for. I took the hooks that were more
in the front of the teeth and started. Even though it felt
good, it was boring and it will probably be hard to do this
every day for half an hour, for a year but I guess this is just
what it takes and I am going to do it.
But one problem arised, I got red marks from the paper clippers,
which luckily faided after like an hour, but still not nice if I
want to spontaneously do something. I dont want my social life
to suffer.
Also during treatment it was very tiring to hold up the helmet
and my hands fell asleep.
Day 5:
NCR still nothing new.
Face Pulling: This time was much better. I wore a hat under the
helmet and adjustet the chin strap (btw got the same helmet as
plato just to make everything as close as possible) and now it
fitted very good. It was not tiring to hold it up, but my hands
and arms still kinda fell asleep. This time I also chose the
hooks farther back, in hope of not getting the marks of the
paper clips. And it worked and I even got better release I
think. But now I kinda have marks around the nose from the mouth
beeing in an akward open position because of the rubber bands.
If I can eliminate that, I would be lucky.
Day 6:
No NCR today.
But Facepulling. It was like the day before, but still the marks
around the nose and this time from the bands at the base of the
lips too. I really dont like this. I mean they fade like after
half an hour - an hour but it still bugs me. I dont want to
damage my skin in the long run. What is the point of having
better facial symmtery, maxilla etc if your skin is damaged in
the process? I hope that I can eliminate that problem.
Day 7:
I tried a little bit of a different setup but again those marks
arised, even though the marks around the nose seemed to be not
as strong as before. The Face Pulling itself feeled good, but is
really boring. I mean I am watching some series during the time,
but normally I dont watch anything no TV etc just some vids on
youtube that interest me. I spend my day more like working out,
becoming a better version of myself and doing what I love but I
guess I can fit that in there. Especially now since I have
holidays right now.
NCR: I treated the left side again and finally at the top nasal
passage, I felt something going more in my throat. I tried to
replicate what I did in the other passages but I could not get
it right. Looking forward to the next session and maybe I should
get bigger finger cots. I maybe should also spent a session
trying to figure it out and trying a bit more, without worrying
that I do too much in one day.
So that is it guys, Day 7 was today. I am going to edit the post
or comment with some news. I am very positive with this
treatment and really am optimistic that it can change something
for the better, and highly believe that it will help me to
become the way god intended me to be. But still as you could
read I dont think I can do the NCR stuff right yet and I think
if I can get better at it I will get very good results. I also
have to make some adjustments to the Face Pulling.
Guys I have to be honest with you, I do not know if there is any
visible change right now, but I think my cheek bones came out a
little bit from the Face pulling and my nose got a little bit
straighter from the NCR. It is hard to see a difference as you
see yourself in the mirror everyday, and I especially tend to
look very hard for changes every time I do something. But I
still think something changed. It will be better to tell
something when a more time has passed, like one week, 2 weeks,
or a month. I will keep you updadet.
I really believe in those techniques!
EDIT Day 8:
So I just finished todays Face Pulling. Marks around nose seem
to be very little today, but still some marks at the base of the
lips from the rubber bands. The Face Pulling itself was very
pleasuring. I always feel very relaxed and kind of tired after
the Face Pulling. A little bit more grounded.
EDIT Day 9 and 10:
Ok so yesterday I noticed something that changed everything for
the better. While I still could not improve with NCR and I could
not replicate the feeling I once got sadly, though I ordered new
bigger finger cots.
But with Face Pulling, I progressed. I reread what I read on the
orgoneproducts blog and on Tylers Face Pulling Tutorial on this
website, and they were both talking about pulling very gently
and avoiding over pulling. While I first thought when I read
this a while ago, that they meant that you should not pull more
than 30 minutes, it was actually also about how hard you pulled.
And even though I thought I do not really pull hard, I did pull
very hard. I kinda thought hey, I actually do not want to pull
less, because I feel it right now and what if I waste my time if
I pull gently? But I tried it anyway and hey it worked, it was
very good. I did not have any marks after it, just at the base
of the lip from the rubber bands very little which disappeared
very fast and just pulling a little bit, I really felt it better
than before. It is hard to explain, while pulling at least I
have the tendency to pull harder if I do not pay attention
without really noticing a difference but it actually makes a
difference and then I have to go back and pull lighter again.
After treatment I actually feel it better in my maxilla now and
I feel very good. I get like an endorphine rush and like Tyler
said, I am really looking forward to each treatment now, as it
is such a good feeling. I already notice how my tongue fits
better in my mouth and my face seems to come forward and become
more "squared", the cheekbones also seem to come out. But just
the feeling is worth it.
Face Pulling is defenitly the way to go and now I just have to
get the NCR right. IMO the problems with NCR I have right now,
is attaching the Finger Cot correctly, as I think you have to
have a certain technique, because sometimes I attach the finger
cot and than when I inflate it, it turns sideways which is
probably bad. The second problem is not really getting into the
nasal passages and in the open space correctly and the third is
probably finger cot size, which is going to be fixed soon.
I will keep you updated, and btw sorry for any mistakes as I am
writing this really fast and I am not a native english speaker.
Edit Day 11:
Holy **** guys, I am hyped. Today, Face Pulling was as good as
always. But I finally, finally made some progress and release
with NCR. So apparently, I have been doing it wrong all those
days, but this is to be expected as someone who has never had
NCR and only has some material to read. I guess everybody will
do it wrong the first couple of times. But I finally did it.
So here is what I did today. First of all, I spend very long on
attaching the finger cot to the bulb. It took me very long and I
had to use 2 times dental floss, but the end result was that it
was inflating and staying straight. Than I spent some good time
rereading, some posts here. I have been reading the thing with
slightly inflating in the turbinate and then pushing through
into the open space. That should be the crictical and
groundbreaking component. I focused on this since session two
probably and I thought I was doing it, but today I really did it
after rereading everything. I now carefully tried to direct it
towards the nasal passages, and I think I really got every
single one on the right side today, which is the only side I
treated today, than I made ONE FULL pump, and than really
focused on pushing through while twisting the device, than I
made some FULL pumps again and it worked, it slipped into the
open space, you could really feel it, and holy crap, this is
really a weird feeling, but now I get why they call it the open
space, you really feel it. After continuing the pumps, I quickly
started gagging, probably every time after a total of only 3
pumps, but I really felt it in my ear and the right side of my
face, but than it got into the throat and started gagging me, I
really thought I was dying right there, than I quickly deflated
it and did it with every passage on the right side and than
again with the lower. I think Ive got a little bit of popping
one time, also. So right now I have to get over that gagging and
suffocating so I can make 5 full pumps and get some good
release. But I guess this is gonna take a couple of treatments
till I get used to it and everything stretches and I become more
confident with the treatment.
Right now I am really happy and hyped, and I hope someone, who
is going to read this someday, who has the same problem as me,
is going to found some help. Until nexttime!
Day 12:
Oh man, today after I did the Face Pulling, suddenly my vision
became very blurred. I had this a couple of times in the future
followed by a headache that usually lasted a little bit until I
layed down for like an hour or so. But this time I drank and
than came the headache very hard. I layed down and it went away.
Than I went eating, and shortly after that, the blurred vision
and the headache came back very hard. So I decided to lay down
to sleep. The vision is pretty much normal now but the headache
is still very strong on the right side. I think this comes from
the NCR and is like one of those "detox effects" Ben spoke about
in his treatment protocol.
The headache is very hard, and I can only remember having such a
strong headache very few times in my life, as I am not much of
a headache guy. Maybe I also reexperience some kind of trauma.
I actually wanted to treat the left side today very badly and
was looking forward to it since yesterday, but I think now it is
better to not do anything today anymore. Today I would also
normally have a leg-workout at the gym with deadlifts and
squats, but sadly I think I have to put this off, too. I just
hope this will go away during the day and tomorrow will be
better.
After the Face Pulling, my jaw was also very sore, during not so
much, but after it the lower jaw really was sore, which was not
the case prior, and it still kinda is when I move my mouth. I
think the NCR loosened the structures a bit.
Time will tell. Does anyone maybe have any tips?
Day 13:
Yesterday the headaches started to get less around evening and
eventually subsided at night. So today I did the Face Pulling
very carefully, and I was only able to pull very light.
Hopefully I am not pulling to light now. But my jaw and
cheekbones were sore, so I guess it was enough. As to physical
changes I can say that the face seems to come forward and cheek
bones come out. My right side though seems to came out more and
is now wider than the left side. This is why I wanted to treat
the left side with NCR. I was kinda scared of the NCR today and
did not want to get any headaches. But I could not get the
balloon in any of the nasal passages of the left side. I tried
many many times and even though I did not want to treat the
right side, I decided to still do it, because I did not want to
waste the treatment and look if I can even do it right on the
right side. I could do it very easily on the right side, and
even better than last time. The gag reflex kicks in very fast
though.
Day 14:
I was kinda nervous before the FP, because I was afraid of the
headaches and the blurred vision, I got the other time after the
day I did NCR, but everything turned out fine.
Day 15:
Again I was really looking forward towards the NCR because I
really wanted to treat the left side. I really see and feel how
it needs some treatment, but again I tried many many many times
over 2 seperate times a day but I just could not get it into the
nasal passages. I ended up poking against the wall with the
snipped q-tip all the time and everytime it seemed like I kinda
got it into a passage I inflated it and it was not right and
just inflated in my nose. I tried the right side again and it
just slipped in, I did not even have to push and twist anymore
it just imediately got into the open space. I treated every
right nasal passage and got some release. I get better with it
and more comfortable. I still gag though, and can not get full 5
pumps sometimes. I hear some popping though and feel some
expansion, but mostly through the right side I think. My ear
also feels like when you are on an airplane.
But I am kinda sad and demotivated that I cant do it on the left
side. It just seems as if I do not even have nasal passages on
the left side. It really needs some treatment though, my face is
kinda getting asymmetrical and the right side is growing much
better than the right side. I really would appreciate some help,
if someone ever had this problem.
I am sure I will be able to do it next time!!!
EDIT Day 16:
When I do the Face Pulling now, I get marks from the head. I
even tried a less thicker version but still marks, but mostly on
the right side. This has not been there in the beginning at all.
I do not get it. Perhaps my head has gotten bigger and is now
pressing against the hockey helmet more. The marks around the
nose and mouth returned again, as I had to change my setup
sadly. I wonder how Plato, Ian and Tyler and all those
sucssesfull Face Pullers did not have this problem.
NCR was very unsatisfiying today. I wanted to treat the left
side and you guessed right it did not work. So I tried a couple
hours later again, this time with the bigger balloons I ordered.
It was even worse, those "bigger" finger cots are even worse,
they are actually smaller and inflate nearly the same, it was
harder so I could not do it at all, I tried it again on the
right side, but it did not even work there. So I was
dissapointet and did not do it again, as it takes so long to
adjust a finger cot. I really do not know what to do now. I
would like to go to a NCR practionier to get the ball roling,
but I do not even have one in my whole country.
EDIT Day 17:
I changed the finger cots again, and tried it endless times on
the left side and could still not get it. This is so
devastating.
After this, I did the right side again. I got some good release
with the two lower passages. But than came the upper one. Oh my
god, it was crazy, I pumped felt the expansion, and than I felt
the balloon in my throat but I was only at 3 or 4 pumps, and I
never got to more at the upper passage so I pumped one more
time, and it felt like the finger cot blocked my complete airway
and throat as it was stuck, this was the worst feeling I ever
got. I mean normaly it already feels as if you are going to
suffocate, but this time it was very very bad. I released the
valve and it did not work for like 5-10 seconds. I tried to pull
the balloon out while doing this, and it just did not release
the air and was not getting out. I could not breathe during this
time. I really, really thought I was going to day. This was
horrible. My heart started pumping so hard, and after this I was
in shock.
This NCR is scary, you really have to be careful. I was probably
just being to shocked and not calm enough during this incident.
EDIT Day 18-20:
Ok so last time I still could not get it into the left nasal
passages. I treated the right side very carefully. I hope I am
not using not enough pressure and making it worse.
Face Pulling always fels good but is really getting boring. What
bugs me are the marks I get from the hat and the bands.
Day 21:
But here comes the nice little update. Today I just did NCR
again. I was able to treat the top left passage finally. I was
not able to treat the others, I just can not get it into the
passages. It really seems as if theres are no other nasal
passages, as I end up always poking against solid structure,
there are no holes/passages. I think they are really, really
tight but I do not know how to lenghten them. I hope this just
will come with time as I treat further and further and
everything has more space. Now that I think about it, in my
previous attempts, the top one really always was the closest I
could get the balloon in, so I was always nearly able to do it
at the top left one but the others I just havenīt been able to
do anything at all. I really can not even get it into the
passage, and if I think that I may be in the passage finally,
even though it does not feel completly right, I pump and the
balloon just inflates inside of the nose and comes out.
I also used aloe vera gel as a lubricant, but I found out that
it contains a couple of questionable and poisoness ingredients
from the brand I purchased and I definetly dont want them inside
my head and not in my body at all, so today I took extra virgin
olive oil, I wonder if that had something to do with it today.
I also plan to treat the left side next time again, and if I am
only going to be able to treat the top one again, I am also
going to treat the right side.
#Post#: 919--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: Lucas Sebastian
Date: August 4, 2015, 3:43 pm
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Hi everyone! :)
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navigate the world of neuro-cranial restructuring (NCR), palate
expansion, face pulling, and the Starecta Method (for symmetry
of the entire body). The course is primarily oriented around
aesthetics, but as you already know, these strategies have
implications extending far beyond just being insanely beautiful.
;) if you are interested please sign up at my newsletter at
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Best wishes to you and please let me know if you have any
questions!
Lucas Sebastian
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: August 4, 2015, 3:46 pm
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Nice.
You are also talking about Starecta in that course? Do you have
any pictures or anything like that? I am interested in Starecta
but wanted to wait till there are a little more information
about it.
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: August 17, 2015, 2:04 pm
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Day 23:
I really think there are more ways you can do the face pulling.
I still have to find the optimal or right approach to it. Like
finding the right angle etc.
NCR was kinda dissapointing. Again I tried very often and I
could not get it into the nasal passages on the left side, even
though I did it in the top left one last time. I was actually
really optimistic that I could do it atleast there but this was
not the case. Also on the right side, it was kinda strange. I
noticed that I could only pump 3 times before it closes my
throat up and I start to gag and cough. I am afraid that I pump
not enough and thus increase the pressure, while not releasing
it.
I would like to have one treatment done, to get everything going
but there really are no possibilities.
Before and during treatment I am also a little bit afraid and
maybe my body is tensing up because of this.
Day 25:
NCR same experience as always. The left side did not work it is
impossible to get it into the nasal passages. So I moved on to
the right side. I did the top passage first, this time I really
wanted to pump enough, so 5 times fast and no releasing to
early. So I really made a comittment to it and did it. The
feeling when it goes into the throat is horrible but you really
have to remain calm and everything will work out.
Then I wanted to the middle passage. After one pump the finger
cot "exploded". It did not really explode but it bursted.
Luckily after only one pump, as it was already unpleasant. I
decided to quit for today and do it tomorrow again, because the
attaching of the finger cot is just a very straining thing and
it takes like forever and I did not want to do it times in a
row.
We will see how time goes on.
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: August 28, 2015, 8:04 am
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One Month UPDATE
Ok so I think it has been roughly a month, at least since I
started Face Pulling. Since my last update I did not do any Self
NCR because I was kinda uncomfortable and it did not work. I
want to get new Aloe Vera Gel or lube, because it didnt really
work with olive oil IMO, but I have to wait till the beginning
of the new month.
So Face Pulling, I figured I have been pulling "wrong" and too
hard many many times. So I reawatched the FP video on Platos
Website many times and reread the article and also listened to
the interview with him and Kevin.
I think I finally have got it, but still I am not 100 percent
sure but I am probably doing it quite alright! But it has been
only a couple of days since then. The only thing that bothers me
is that I get those nasty marks again at the lips from the
rubber bands and also those kinda like nasolabial marks. I do
not know how to prevent this and especially the marks around the
lips are uncomfortable during the treatment because the rubber
bands basically cut into the lips. I have really no idea how to
prevent it. If anyone had the same problem and solved it, please
tell me about it.
Even though I have been pulling "wrong" the face still has come
forward quite a bit. My cheekbones especially the right, as this
was the side where I did all the NCR, came out a little bit and
my chin seems also more forward, the mandible seems to be a bit
more horizontal, too! I do not see any changes in my body
though, like better posture (maybe very subtle). I was really
looking forward to this, like better posture, taller, expanding
rib cage but I have hope that this will come as I have not been
pulling optimally and only did a little bit of NCR on the right
side.
Another aesthetic thing I can speak of, is that in the past,
when I was wearing a hat, I never really liked the look of it
with my face, it seemed so round and childish, but now when I
wear the hat for Face Pulling, I am starting to like it more and
more, as my face is becoming much more "edgy" and 3D. Another
thing is that my head definetly has become bigger, because the
helmet does not sit as loose as in the beginning and I also
started to get marks from my hat.
Some nice other changes are, that I feel that I can breath
better and also have more space in my mouth. This indicates a
bigger palate. My tongue also fits much better in my mouth and
now I can keep it there much better and longer. My lower wisdom
tooth on the left side also comes out. It started shortly after
starting this whole process and was a little bit infected at
first but now it seems to come out very good. In the past this
would not been possible, because my jaw had no space for them at
all.
My biggest question is though, what will happen if there will be
a day where you canīt facepull. I hope the structure wonīt
regress, but I do not think so. For example in a week I am going
to be away for 2 days and it will be impossible to do the Face
Pulling for those 2 or even 3 days, which makes me quite sad. I
am also on a class trip in october and wont be able do the FP
for even 5 days. Weīll see!
I am excited to see what still comes! I am going to continue
posting some major experiences here in this diary.
If anyone is actually reading this, feel free to ask questions
or suggest things.
Until Nextime!
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: September 3, 2015, 2:05 pm
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UPDATE:
I have finally bought the high quality lube. I was really
excitied to do NCR again. But when I wanted to attach the
balloon to the bulb, it started again. First of all, I find it
weird that not all my ballons seem to inflate the same, those
last ones were all not good I remember now and this was one of
the reasons I stopped. Well than I start, with the lube it
seemed very promising but dried after like one try, so I am
dissapointed. As you can imagine the left side did not work
again, it is actually quite uncomfortable and it hurts to direct
the balloon on the left side. On the right side I could not get
it done either, the cot seemed way to short (as I said those
cots are weird, when I roll them out they all have the same
length but when I attach them they change in length and also
inflate differently). I am dissapointed. I think maybe it is the
balloons, but my technique certainly is not optimal either. The
thing though is, that I could do it those couple of times on the
right side and it just doesnt seem to work.
I am really dissapointet and helpless guys, I really want to do
the Self-NCR. Man why did I have to find this forum so late,
when everything seems to be dead here.
Ben I need your help, I really need it! I now I usually did not
want to say that and sound desperate but I kinda am and I really
really need your help. If there is any chance of you reading
this, please contact me. I know you do not want people to do it
yourself, but I already tried and did it a couple of times, I
just need those nuances and a little help from you. I am aware
of the risks, please just help me.
BTW, when I tried it with just water as lubricant it did not
feel that bad, actually kinda better, still didnt work though.
Also tomorrow I am going to be away for 2 and a half days. I am
going to wake up very early, just to do one more session of face
pulling. On saturday I want be able to do it at all but I hope I
can do it sunday evening/night when I return so at least one day
without face pulling. I really wonder what is going to happen.
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: September 20, 2015, 1:00 pm
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UPDATE:
Ok so it has been a couple of weeks since my last update, so I
figured it is time to make another one.
I think I have finally figured out the correct Face Pulling
technique. A couple of times I did it right in the past I think
but it has been only one week since I did this and the changes
are tremendously. I noticed immediatly how better I felt, how
much more relaxing the procedure itself was and I feel in
general now. I feel more grounded and more comfortable. I feel
like I can breathe better and have better posture. Also people
treat me differently. The girls I entcounter on a daily are much
more receptive, they want to touch me and look it me when they
think I do not see it. I feel like I have a much more dominating
presence and I have been only doing it like this now for a week
and a half maybe. I also feel this state of inner hapiness and
drive even more than in the past and continously when I am by
myself. Not thinking any negative thoughts anymore much more
happy with myself and much more in the moment.
I just pull light now, really really light and I relax in the
stretch and really feel my jaw moving now. My cheekbones are
also comfortably sore all the time now because in addition I
have my tongue on the roof of my mouth.
I always had this tendency to pull way too hard but even when I
wanted to pull harder I fell into my old habits after some time.
Now to NCR. Nothing is working, I tried it every day for the
last weeks and I was not succesful once. I just simply can not
get it into the turbinates now, neither left nor right. I am
desperate, because I really want this and know how I could
benefit from this. But I am just not getting it and I do not
understand. When I read through this and other forums everbody
seems to have such an easy time, doing this procedure but I just
can not get it and I do not know why. And on top of this, this
forum is basically dead and everybody who gives advice either is
not here anymore or just does not want to because they are
afraid of being responsible for someone potentially getting
hurt. Though it is my own decision that I want that, if I get
hurt it is entirely my own responsibelity but I guess it is
useless to beg for support here, because nobody is willing to. I
just hope someone might read my experiences and have an easier
time, bettering their life.
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Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: FromGermany
Date: October 3, 2015, 9:31 am
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Have you thought about going to a NCR specialist first so you
know how it feels when being done the right way? I've read that
you're german. So the next would be either "Schwarzwald" (Neural
Cranial Intergration - something very similar to NCR -
HTML http://www.medicenter-baiersbronn.de/)
or in London (Ian
Hedley).
#Post#: 939--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: DS_Slash
Date: October 3, 2015, 10:34 am
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Hey,
yeah I did, I actually also written about it in the diary
somewhere but I have never found someone here in germany. I
actually searched so so long and nothing appeared, and than you
come with this link.
Well the thing is, I also know how it is supposed to feel like,
I have been successfull a couple of times, but only on the right
side, but for 2 months now, I just cant get it into the
turbinates.
Are you doing Self-NCR also?
#Post#: 941--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Self-NCR and Face Pulling Diary
DIR By: FromGermany
Date: October 3, 2015, 2:25 pm
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Oh well, I haven't read all your posts - sry
No, my nasal septum is deviated so I first want to do it with a
professional.
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