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#Post#: 789--------------------------------------------------
Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: ma6
Date: August 16, 2014, 12:37 pm
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To correct my bite and stop my teeth from grinding, I need to
move all my top teeth forward in unison about 2mm by my
estimate. I'm also looking forward to other benefits of pulling
my maxilla forward:
- Look better
- More room for my tongue
- Possibly breathe better
So, I need reverse pull headgear of some kind. I'm looking at
using The Crane. I don't have braces yet. I'm in the planning
stages now.
I'm wondering if it's possible to use reverse pull headgear
without also using class III rubberbands between the top and
bottom braces?
The reason I'm asking is because then it might not be necessary
to have braces at all, but something like the video below where
the headgear pulls against a permanent retainer type thing. Is
that picture actual possible like they show it, without braces
(brackets+wires)?
Thanks.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdbLOocydM
#Post#: 791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: PUMA
Date: August 16, 2014, 6:50 pm
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I'm a bit worried about facepulling while wearing braces too. I
think usually they hooks are attached to the bicuspids area and
pulls from there, but I had my bicuspids removed and i've had
some bone loss and gum recession in the bicuspid areas. It's
it's anchored at the back like that it would be better for me.
#Post#: 792--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: ma6
Date: August 16, 2014, 11:27 pm
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I had not started to think about where it would be pulling from.
But, that's an interesting point to consider.
My concerns with braces are the added expense and discomfort and
looks (actually, I think everyone looks good in braces, so it's
a little irrational of me to worry about looks).
But, I'm pretty sure I will have to get braces, because I doubt
an orthodontist would use reverse pull headgear without being
fully braced for fear of teeth being pushed out of position.
But, when I saw that youtube video, I thought wow, maybe I don't
need braces after all!
And, I suspect I will need class III rubber bands all day in
order to maintain the movement from the headgear at night. I bet
that's what my orthodontist will say anyway. Even though, it
sounds like some folks here are doing face pulling for only a
short time per day, and without class III rubber bands.
I'm worried about the rubber bands because they will be pulling
my lower jaw back, and I don't want that. If anything, I'd like
my lower jaw more forward not back. My progress would be slower
without rubber bands, but I wonder how much slower?
#Post#: 793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: PUMA
Date: August 17, 2014, 12:05 pm
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Have you consulted with an orthodontist about this and also
brought up about headgear? What type of headgear are you
interested in? Personally i'm looking towards facemax or the
crane or rampa but rampa is not avail in the US as far as i
know. It'll be important to find an ortho willing to work with
the type of headgear you want. A lot of orthodontists don't want
to work with treatments they are not familiar with.
#Post#: 796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: ma6
Date: August 18, 2014, 9:54 pm
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I consulted with 3 orthos now. We did not get in to specific
types of headgear. Two docs mentioned it as likely being part of
the treatment. I want to use The Crane, but I haven't asked yet.
Now, I'm questioning if I want to go though with this. At my
latest consultation, the doc assured me that my current bite,
even though it's 2-3mm off from where it should be, will never
wear down or wear out my teeth from normal function (ie:
eating). The doc assured me my teeth would only wear out by
grinding at night if I did not wear a night guard. The doc said
teeth can take that kind of use even though my teeth are rubbing
more than they should as I eat.
The excessive wear was my biggest concern. So, now I have to
decide if I want to do this (move my maxilla forward) for the
other benefits. Is it worth it to me? The doc thought it would
cost > $6000. Though, with that price he was trying to
discourage me.
#Post#: 801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: PUMA
Date: August 20, 2014, 3:34 am
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Wow the doc was trying to discourage you. Interesting. I guess
you should feel lucky about that.
Personally, i think if the maxilla can come forward 2-3mm, NOT
the incisors, it would be worth it. Orthodontics can achieve
about 2mm forward movement by flaring the teeth outwards though,
so i do hope that the reverse headgear, which seems to be the
new thing, is doing a lot more than that...
#Post#: 808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: ma6
Date: September 12, 2014, 7:50 pm
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All the sudden I'm getting TMJ pain now. Great. My bite has
gotten a lot worse lately. Pretty soon I will have to change how
I chew, and chew with an underbite. So far I still have a
"normal" bite, but now it hurts to chew that way because it's
just too hard to get my lower jaw back far enough. So, now I
have to do something.
I'm thinking about Invisalign with class III elastics, or
reverse pull headgear. Perhaps from crystalbraces . com
I think that might be the cheapest and easiest solution.
#Post#: 809--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: PUMA
Date: September 13, 2014, 1:09 am
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How did that happen? Is your lower jaw growing forward or
something?
That's a interesting website, thanks for sharing. In the before
and afters, the results of the open bite guy looks pretty
legit/good.
#Post#: 812--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: ma6
Date: September 13, 2014, 11:07 am
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Well, I'm middle-aged, so I don't think my jaw is growing. I
think it's some of all of these:
- My top teeth have always been a little too far back, and the
top has been very slowly progressing backward for a couple
decades, and now it's simply, finally, reached the limit of my
TM joint
- I used to grind my teeth all night. That helped my bite
because my top and bottom teeth were pushing each other where
they need to be. A few years ago I started using a night guard
because I have significant wear that needs to stop. But, with
the night guard my jaw and upper teeth are now free to relax and
drift wherever they want. There's nothing to push the top
forward anymore, or the bottom back.
- Lately, occasionally, I found myself sleeping face down (sort
of at an angle but mostly face down at the edge of my pillow),
and this is likely pushing my top teeth back further. I'm trying
to not sleep that way, but I don't have that much control. If I
ever catch myself face down, I turn over. I think the face-down
sleeping is what has pushed my teeth past the limit these last
few weeks.
#Post#: 814--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pull headgear without braces?
DIR By: PUMA
Date: September 17, 2014, 7:56 am
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MA6, hey are you going to ask Invisalign company or a provider
regarding anchor points on the aligner?
I'm going to ask Dr Howell or Plato, if invisalign could be used
for face pulling if it had anchor points. I want treatment with
invisalign because I have an open bite that incisor extrusion
with invisalign would probably solve.
The thing is, I also need to bring the maxilla forward and
that's what I want to pursue as priority (even with my open bite
issue and all)
If you ask invisalign company, pls post here or PM me what they
say and I'll let you know what Dr Howell says as well.
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