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Options for someone with a recessed lower jaw/overbite
DIR By: Gts2014
Date: July 27, 2014, 11:56 am
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Hello everyone! Glenn here. First time poster!
So I stumbled upon this forum while researching NCR and face
pulling and they sound utterly life changing.
However, after reading platos website and a few particular posts
on here about the mandible, I'm starting to get the sense that
my overbite/recessed lower jaw makes it impractical for me to
experience the benefits from these techniques. I did read
somewhere that overbites/ recessed Lower jaws are actually a tmj
related issue not always a bone deficiency issue and could
therefore be corrected with functional orthodontic
appliances(which I'm guessing the Homeoblock and DNA appliances
are??)
Anywho, any insight into this issue would be greatly
appreciated! Thanks!
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Re: Options for someone with a recessed lower jaw/overbite
DIR By: Student_Of_Life
Date: July 27, 2014, 9:20 pm
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This is my question exactly (as my profile picture
indicates...unfortunately...). However, I thought the exact
opposite. It seems like the best solution for that is the face
pulling because it swings the maxilla forward, bringing the
mandible with it.
From what I understand (and I could be wrong!!)...The homeoblock
expands the face horizontally through widening the palate but I
didn't think it does much for moving the lower jaw FORWARD. My
orthotropic dentist who trained under Dr. Hang (Face Focused)
says only jaw surgery would move it FORWARD as a 27yo adult, but
I think it's just because he's unaware of face pulling (FaceMax,
Plato, The Crane).
Could someone who is better versed and/or has experience confirm
or deny?
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Re: Options for someone with a recessed lower jaw/overbite
DIR By: Gaia
Date: July 30, 2014, 11:59 am
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I think some of the answers you're looking for might be in this
blog post by Clamingpower:
HTML http://claimingpower.com/how-to-get-rid-of-a-gummy-smile-what-is-the-cause-how-i-resolved-mine/
HTML http://claimingpower.com/how-to-get-rid-of-a-gummy-smile-what-is-the-cause-how-i-resolved-mine/
In short: Even after the maxilla has been expanded forward, the
mandible is still down and back because of long time downward
movement of the upper molars. The key is to change the gonial
angle.
Functional orthodontics involve pulling the mandible forward in
the way that's being described in the below link. Read only the
answer by Tooth975!
HTML https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110926181451AAVAmvZ
HTML https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110926181451AAVAmvZ
Just be careful with Herbst and Twinblock appliances that move
the mandible forward by bracing against the maxilla. You want
maximum forward expansion/movement of both upper and lower jaw!
Edit: I find it somewhat strange that an orthotropics
practitioner who was trained by Dr. Hang says the lower jaw
can't be moved forward as an adult, seeing as how orthotropics
doctors often work with sleep apnea cases where the lower needs
to come forward or it won't help the airway/breathing enough to
stop the apnea.
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Re: Options for someone with a recessed lower jaw/overbite
DIR By: Connor
Date: August 3, 2014, 12:01 am
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That article is very interesting but in the part where he talks
about modern man vs the 10000 years back man....The Japanese and
the much of the Asian cultures come to mind. These people to
this day have unbelievable facial profiles and just bodies in
general. Their culture is very grain filled (especially rice)
and are all about making food easier for the digestive system to
well, digest. Which means really cooking it(which makes foods
softer). Now many of these health forums you hear them ranting
how if we eat more raw foods it will help with a plethora of
things and not to mention your jaw muscles.....but then once
again i go back to the (using them as prime example) Japanese.
They have stuck to their culture and are a very healthy people (
especially compared to the west and even some the east) with
broad faces, large jaws and huge cheekbones. I used to tell my
friend as a light hearted joke "dude picture all the girls here
who aren't Japanese see with the facial structure of alot of
these Japanese girls" after some explaining he goes "holy crap
man your right they would all be drop dead gorgeous." I
apologize if that offends anyone but i think its true in a
sense. Most of these people in Japan seem to have stuck to their
culture and you can see the amazing it has done for them.
Especially their gorgeous women ;D. haha all jokes aside
though. While i do see where calming power writer is coming from
in that area of his article I dont think its really what the
real issue is. (but when the hell is it just one thing right?
haha)
Any thoughts?
P.s. I know calming power never said anything about Raw foods
but Ive heard of the chewing theory and it usually gets tied in
with it. It really just seems the Japanese culture who i used as
an example, dont do all that much chewing vs America.
Yet have retained much of the strong facial structures.
Sources: I know many Japanese strong cultured families who still
abide by the cultures practices. All with outstanding facial
profiles
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Re: Options for someone with a recessed lower jaw/overbite
DIR By: Gaia
Date: August 5, 2014, 4:02 pm
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Connor, I feel like this is a little OT, but thought I should
reply anyway.
Ok, so thoughts, not science. ;)
I happen to have a Japanese sister in law. Beautiful woman, but
with a recessed lower jaw, V-shaped upper arch and VERY crowded
teeth (never had braces). Not to generalize too much but isn't
this something you see a lot in Japanese people? (Her parents
both have good facial structure for whatever it's worth.)
I've been told by her and my brother who is married to her, that
braces and orthodontic treatment in general is far less common
in Japan (it's becoming more and more common though). So my
thought was: What if that's why we don't see as many super
damaged faces in Japan? Or at least they're not damaged in the
same way? Because what I have seen after studying hundreds of
before-after-braces pictures is that yes, the facial structure
was bad to begin with, but braces were what really made it
collapse. Some people's faces weren't even that broken before
treatment, but afterwards it looked like they lost half their
face. Considering how many people have had braces in the Western
world, the "brace face" is extremely common. Again, just a
thought. I, too, hope I haven't offended anybody.
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