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Re: Ukraine
By: Expatrick Date: March 4, 2022, 4:48 am
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My Wife just asked, what do we do if the war spills over our
(NATO) border?
What can I say, as we all know that would be game over.
Tried to reassure her by saying we would head south (no point
going west).
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Re: Ukraine
By: Expatrick Date: March 4, 2022, 5:32 am
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Ukrainians, men & women, heading east from Poland, to fight -
brave people.
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Re: Ukraine
By: zzrmark Date: March 4, 2022, 6:19 am
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[quote author=macliam link=topic=155.msg4621#msg4621
date=1646390247]
It sounds like a little hysterical propaganda about the nuclear
plant.... the building on fire was outside the site. I think
Russia have now seized the plant and may have it in mind to cut
power from Ukraine and force a surrender.... there seems to be a
ceoncerted effort to capture or destroy such infrastructure.
The plan seems to be to cut off the Ukrainians on the Donbas
front by driving north and south behind them, plus removing Kyiv
from the chessboard. In addition, the moves east and west on the
Black sea will cut Ukraine off from the sea, negate the
Ukrainian navy and link Donbas with Transnistria to link all the
Russia-leaning areas. I can also see the demand for a corridor
to Kaliningrad in the offing as part of any "negotiations".
[/quote]
I had wondered if it were peripheral damage, being hyped up for
Western reaction... just heard, as I'm typing this, on my local
news station that it is non-threatening damage to reactor 1,
they didn't specify further. The Ukranians are backed into a
corner, they must know that without significant troop
intervention from outside that they are sitting ducks and their
fairly well oiled propaganda machine is going to be doing it's
utmost into attracting that support from Western leaders by any
means necessary. Nuclear threat might ordinarily keep
international forces away but if you can persuade the West that
the invaders are in the process of unleashing a mushroom cloud
over Europe... I only have to look at the reactions of some of
my friends on FB (as opposed to having random entities called
friends that I don't know) who are quaking in their boots.
Prevailing wind conditions suggest that India would have far
more reason than Western EU to be a trifle edgy about the
situation...
This was the plant at which the people purportedly stood in
front of and 'prevented' the Russians from entering, which
likely meant that any later shelling was being done by tanks and
other forces close at hand. My earlier query was directed
towards those forces, the best analogy that I can come up with
for ground forces shelling a nuclear plant is if I were to walk
up to a grizzly bear and poke it with a small stick. I might get
away with it initially but poke it often enough and I'm not
going to live very long.
I can understand acts of self-destruction for nationalistic
purposes and even the actions of a madman sat in a bunker remote
from the action but it does make me wonder what goes through
the mind of a tank commander when they point their barrel at a
nuclear power plant and start lobbing shells at it...
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Re: Ukraine
By: macliam Date: March 4, 2022, 8:08 am
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We don't know, we just don't know. As I said, Russian control
over the nuclear plant threatens energy supply, so i'm sure it
was defended - and we don't know what was being thrown in the
direction of those tanks... or what they actually fired at.
Don't get me wrong, it's all stupid - and this is somewhat more
stupid than other things, but we're all mushrooms here, kept in
the dark and fed on bullsh.......
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Re: Ukraine
By: caretaker Date: March 4, 2022, 8:15 am
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[quote author=zzrmark link=topic=155.msg4627#msg4627
date=1646396373]
I had wondered if it were peripheral damage, being hyped up for
Western reaction...
[/quote]
While the battle was going on, video and reports from the scene
first said the reactor had caught fire, then that the unit that
was on fire was shut down for repair so no danger of melting
down, then that the fire had been contained to an area of less
than 2000m sq, and then once the shooting stopped so firemen
could get near it and fight the fire, the smoke cleared and as
we now know it was an adjacent building to the reactor. No
hype, unless you count everyone offering opinions on what could
happen and given the history of Chernobyl there's no way to stop
speculation like that. That plant produces 25% of Ukraine's
electricity so the Russians wanted it bad.
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Re: Ukraine
By: macliam Date: March 4, 2022, 9:56 am
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[quote author=Expatrick link=topic=155.msg4622#msg4622
date=1646390474]
Do you think the scenario we discussed a while back (seizing the
oblasts east of the Dnieper) will be the end game or will Russia
take the whole lot? Personally I fear the latter.
[/quote]
I agree - and more. I firmly believe he is intent on gutting
Ukraine and leaving it as a rump state, cutting it off from the
sea and joining up with Transnistria across the south, plus the
east returned to "Mother Russia" because they're "all the same
people". He may go into the west, but only if he can't get
Ukraine to the table before that. I really fear for the demand
of a corridor to Kaliningrad though. Rewrite the map of eastern
Europe.
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Re: Ukraine
By: Expatrick Date: March 4, 2022, 2:33 pm
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Not entirely thrilled to see B52s over Romania today.
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Re: Ukraine
By: DaveLovesDee Date: March 4, 2022, 3:34 pm
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[quote author=Expatrick link=topic=155.msg4649#msg4649
date=1646426010]
Not entirely thrilled to see B52s over Romania today.
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At least they found Romania. The average American seems to
struggle.
Then again, the average European would be unlikely to identify
which state is where on an unmarked US map...
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Re: Ukraine
By: Siouxie Date: March 4, 2022, 3:42 pm
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I hate the way this is escalating.. so many innocent lives
lost.. Putin: "We didn't bomb residential buildings, schools
etc., it's all fake.. " - bullshit!
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Re: Ukraine
By: macliam Date: March 4, 2022, 4:10 pm
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The second tragedy of all this is that the people of Russia have
just been taken back 30 years in the Putin time machine....
independent media closed down and 15-year sentences for saying
anything apart from the party line. I'm ecpecting the GRU to be
renamed something snappy in the next few days..... KGB sounds
about right, one on every corner.
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