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#Post#: 147194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 2, 2013, 9:50 pm
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davep, we sent our troops to their home. Not surprisingly, they
did not welcome us. Had they landed in the U.S. and begun
shooting at us, I would agree with your position. They did not.
We can not put our troops all over the world and then act
surprised when locals who do not want them there shoot at them.
The Viet Cong did not give a damn about our troops, other than
the degree to which they interfered with what they were trying
to do in their own homeland.
But the real thrust of my last post was to ask you the question
which was set off in boldface to make it easier for you to see.
It was the fourth time I asked it in an effort to try to
determine how much or how little of a war hawk you might be.
For the fourth time you have chosen not to answer.
It would appear that you don't really want to discuss whether
you actually are a war hawk, but simply want to assert you are
not and let it go at that.
That being the case I am left with my impression, and feel quite
comfortable I have been right from the start, and you have
yours, but there appears to be little more to discuss on the
issue.
#Post#: 147243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: September 3, 2013, 10:07 am
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If you were to keep your posts to a reasonable length, you would
get more answers for those towards the bottom.
what military involvement of the U.S. since WWII have you
supported, and what proposed or actual involvement have you
opposed? When have you supported remaining longer than we did
and when have you supported leaving before we did?
I was strongly against fighting in Viet Nam, but once there,
felt that we should have put the necessary assets into it to end
it and go home. I was never in favor of just giving up without
winning, once entered.
I thought that going into Greneda was silly.
I was too young to have a view on Korea, but if I had, I would
again have been against it, but once there,
would have fought to win.
I was against going into Lybia, and am against going into Syria.
I would have gone into Iraq, and would have remained as an
occupying force for approximately the same length of time as in
Germany and Japan, building democracy from the bottom up as we
did there.
The same applies to Afghanistan.
I have been against almost all limited actions. We should not
put soldiers in harm way unless we plan to put enough resources
to win.
I would not use nuclear weapons against a country that had no
nuclear weapons. But I would certainly use all other force to
prevent an avowed enemy like Iran to get them.
#Post#: 147282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 3, 2013, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> If you were to keep your posts to a reasonable length, you
would get more answers for those towards the bottom.
>
--- End Quote ---
Bold face at the conclusion of a post is not enough? And 7
lines exceeds a reasonable length?
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I was strongly against fighting in Viet Nam, but once there,
felt that we should have put the necessary assets into it to end
it and go home. I was never in favor of just giving up without
winning, once entered.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hawkish.
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I thought that going into Greneda was silly.
>
--- End Quote ---
One of the few uses of force I would agree with -- very limited
in scope, for the purpose of protecting American life, short in
duration, little risk of collateral damage or actual collateral
damage, easily justifiable on what amounted to self-defense
grounds.
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I was against going into Lybia, and am against going into
Syria.
>
--- End Quote ---
.... because?
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I have been against almost all limited actions. We should not
put soldiers in harm way unless we plan to put enough resources
to win.
>
--- End Quote ---
Again, a rather hawkish attitude, much like McCain, not a real
opposition to using force, but instead an inclination to use a
very heavy hand when using force, an inclination to use more
force, not less.
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I would not use nuclear weapons against a country that had no
nuclear weapons. But I would certainly use all other force to
prevent an avowed enemy like Iran to get them.
>
--- End Quote ---
Is my memory wrong, or have I mis-read your prior posts, or have
you not in the past strongly supported Truman's decision to use
nuclear weapons to vaporize a couple of hundred thousand
civilians in a "country that had no nuclear weapons"?
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> But I would certainly use all other force to prevent an avowed
enemy like Iran to get them.
>
--- End Quote ---
You seem to miss the irony in Iran being an avowed enemy as a
result of our involvement in removing the pre-Shaw government,
installing the Shaw, and then propping up the Shaw and his
oppressive regime.
#Post#: 148505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 11, 2013, 11:05 am
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HTML http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slkg_wnHFS8
#Post#: 148554--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: September 11, 2013, 4:41 pm
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Has the Nobel Committee ever asked for a return of the Peace
Prize? Just wondering.
#Post#: 148575--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: ticohans
Date: September 12, 2013, 12:03 am
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What did he win it for?... Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.
Shouldn't be too hard to take it back, then.
#Post#: 148624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: September 12, 2013, 11:21 am
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They should have just given it to George W Bush for stopping
being US president.
#Post#: 148626--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 12, 2013, 11:38 am
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--- Quote from: DelMarFan link ---
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> They should have just given it to George W Bush for stopping
being US president.
>
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Look at the Obama presidency... there is a strong argument to be
made that the Bush presidency never did stop.
#Post#: 148628--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: September 12, 2013, 11:40 am
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--- Quote from: DelMarFan link ---
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> They should have just given it to George W Bush for stopping
being US president.
>
--- End Quote ---
That would have been equally ridiculous.
Who was the last American to really deserve one? Dennis Rodman?
#Post#: 148635--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: JR
Date: September 12, 2013, 12:03 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> That would have been equally ridiculous.
>
> Who was the last American to really deserve one? Dennis
Rodman?
>
--- End Quote ---
This lady who won in 1997 helped lead an effort to ban and clear
up land mines. That sounds pretty deserving.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Williams
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Williams
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