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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: davep Date: August 31, 2013, 2:55 pm
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And that explains why libertarians so seldom (fortunately)
achieve national office.
#Post#: 146976--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: Jes Beard Date: August 31, 2013, 4:38 pm
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davep, had it not been for Rosenberg, the Soviet Union still
would have been able to develop nuclear weapons, and presumably
would have done so... unless good war hawks like yourself had
nuked them first, totally destroying their capability of doing
so. You might want to live in a world in which the United
States completely dominated the globe and from time to time
nuked those who offended us. I wouldn't, and I am happy that I
don't.
#Post#: 147002--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: davep Date: August 31, 2013, 8:54 pm
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It is easy to win an argument (at least in your own mind) when
you ascribe actions and wishes to the other side.
When have I ever said that we should nuke someone that is on the
verge of developing their own nuclear weapons. Even you must
realizing that giving away our secrets is not quite identical to
nuking other nations when we are not at war.
#Post#: 147013--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: Jes Beard Date: August 31, 2013, 11:42 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=96.msg147002#msg147002
date=1378000494]
It is easy to win an argument (at least in your own mind) when
you ascribe actions and wishes to the other side.
When have I ever said that we should nuke someone that is on the
verge of developing their own nuclear weapons. Even you must
realizing that giving away our secrets is not quite identical to
nuking other nations when we are not at war.
[/quote]
Talk about projection.
When did I say you felt "we should nuke someone that is on the
verge of developing their own nuclear weapons"?
#Post#: 147028--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: davep Date: September 1, 2013, 10:20 am
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[quote author=Jes Beard link=topic=96.msg146976#msg146976
date=1377985114]
unless good war hawks like yourself had nuked them first,
totally destroying their capability of doing so
[/quote]
If I have to read you posts, the least you could do is read them
yourself.
#Post#: 147031--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: Jes Beard Date: September 1, 2013, 10:31 am
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Reading comprehension, davep, reading comprehension.
You are a war hawk. And those who would urge pre-emptive
nuclear strikes would be war hawks. That is not to say that YOU
feel "we should nuke someone that is on the verge of developing
their own nuclear weapons."
X is a number. Two numbers added together equal 8.... that is
not to say that X is either of the numbers which total 8 when
added together.
#Post#: 147050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: davep Date: September 1, 2013, 4:46 pm
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If you are going to make a meaningless statement like that, Jes,
you have to try to add at least a little meaning to it by
defining what a "War Hawk" is, and explain why you feel I fit
into your definition.
#Post#: 147051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: Playtwo Date: September 1, 2013, 4:53 pm
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Short lob.
#Post#: 147072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: Jes Beard Date: September 1, 2013, 9:00 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=96.msg147050#msg147050
date=1378071979]
If you are going to make a meaningless statement like that, Jes,
you have to try to add at least a little meaning to it by
defining what a "War Hawk" is, and explain why you feel I fit
into your definition.
[/quote]
If it is meaningless, why bother adding any meaning?
You have for several years now made clear that you have very few
reservations about the use of force (i.e. war) in order to
further American interests, and that you have relatively little
concern about blowback from that use of force. I consider that
a war hawk, which is the way the term has been used for more
than 200 years now in American history, dating back to as least
the War of 1812.
#Post#: 147079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
By: davep Date: September 1, 2013, 9:52 pm
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You have obviously misread my posts for the past several years.
I have never advocated the use of force to advance American
Interests.
I HAVE advocated the use of force for those who threaten America
and their allies. That is quite a different thing.
But although you defended the use of the term War Hawk, you
failed to define it. Exactly what is a War Hawk. If it is
merely someone that advocates the use of force to advance
American Interests, then I clearly am not one, since there are a
great many American Interests that I would NOT use force to
advance.
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