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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: March 15, 2013, 3:38 pm
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> He just doesn't have the upside of Meadows - Frazier is
shorter, smaller, and absolutely has to play a corner.
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Reminds me of all that potential in 6-6 Ryan Harvey. Not saying
Meadows is anything like Harvey but this height issue is
ridiculous in my opinion.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Reb
Date: March 15, 2013, 5:11 pm
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Scouts would say that the 18 year old guy with the athletic
frame has room to get bigger and stronger and, hence, more
upside and more all-around potential. Certainly true, as a
general rule, with pitchers. We all know the obvious
exceptions.
Of course, with a position player, you have to hit and the
athletic-type busts are guys who, as it turns out, just don't
hit. Hard to project down the road whether a guy who can now
hit will actually hit in the future against real competition.
I understand the enthusiasm for Frazier but, geez, you have to
eyeball and scout these guys for a prolonged time and it's 2 1/2
months until the draft. Not sure how anybody can have a strong
opinion on Frazier/Meadows at this point.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: March 15, 2013, 5:44 pm
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I like Appel. But if he stumbles, the mascot better watch out.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: March 15, 2013, 6:09 pm
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Did Keith Law knock Prince Fielder for his lack of future
physical projection?
Certainly, too much might be getting made of Frazier right now,
but I still don't get the height thing. Law acts like Frazier
can't do anything but hit, yet every other person who has seen
him raves about many of his other abilities as well.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: craig
Date: March 15, 2013, 7:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Reb link ---
> ....Of course, with a position player, you have to hit and the
athletic-type busts are guys who, as it turns out, just don't
hit. Hard to project down the road whether a guy who can now
hit will actually hit in the future against real competition.
...
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I agree with your post. But, the part about hitting is the
crucial part. If the two guys are equivalent hitters, then
obviously the tie-break goes to Meadows if he's better
defensively and projects more power and speed.
But good scouts are good at projecting hitters. Meadows seems
to be hitting less well than Frazier for the moment; is there
some scouting reason to think that Frazier might hit better
later as well? Or is there some reason to think that Frazier is
more likely to not translate when he's facing serious velocity
and movement? I have no idea, but that's the job for the
scouts. And if Frazier looks like he's a truer hitter and has
true power presently and doesn't need to build up, then I don't
care if he's a corner.
I'm partly thinking about Cub picks/failures. Sometimes you
can't foresee why a guy will fail against premium pitching. I
don't think Corey or Kelton had any failure flags. But in other
cases, you already know what a guy does now won't work,
(Harvey), and he'll need to be fixed.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: March 15, 2013, 8:46 pm
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Watched Oklahoma's Jonathan Gray pitch tonight ( 9-5-0-0-0-12 ).
He's going to challenge for top five by June. Average FB was
95/96 with a slew of 97s and 98s. He hit 100 three times from
the stretch in the 9th. Pretty wicked slider that either dropped
straight down or on angle away from righties. Very good control
and command.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: March 15, 2013, 9:03 pm
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Sean Manaea goes the distance, 9-6-1-0-1-9
At times was 92-94 according to tweets from Perfect Game and
Keith Law.
.
Frazier and Meadows both homered today.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: JeffH
Date: March 15, 2013, 9:08 pm
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The only thing we know for certain about the 2013 draft is that
the Cubs will select the wrong player.
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Dave23
Date: March 15, 2013, 9:12 pm
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Bobby Wahl and Kevin Ziomek both strong tonight...
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Re: 2013 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: March 15, 2013, 9:22 pm
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Appel's Cardinal are off until next Friday.
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