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#Post#: 88073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: brs2
Date: August 6, 2012, 11:18 am
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I assume Hoyer is telling the truth, that Dempster was not
present to hear the discussions with the Dodgers. If not, the
Cubs probably didn't break any rules, but their reputation would
be damaged. Not just with the Dodgers, but with all teams that
deal with the Cubs. The issue isn't just what the Dodgers say
(or don't say) about Dempster. The Dodgers would probably not
want a player (let alone one who may soon be in their clubhouse)
to hear who is or is not offered; comments about their own
players; comments about other players on the Cubs; etc. This
has nothing to do with whether the Dodgers are low-balling,
talking down Dempster, etc.
If the Cubs should reasonably expect the Dodgers' behavior would
be affected by knowing Dempster is on the line, and they fail to
tell the Dodgers, then the Cubs are open to accusations of
unfair dealing. (Leaving aside whether there is any actual
misrepresentation - it's also typical for conference calls to
start with the participants identifying who is on the line, and
there is a general business expectation that material
participants in a conference call are identified).
#Post#: 88074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 6, 2012, 11:28 am
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good points, brs. I hadn't thought of the fact that he would
have heard the players the Dodgers were willing to give up.
That would be bad news.
#Post#: 88086--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 6, 2012, 12:20 pm
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When you're having a business phone conference, you tell
everyone who's on the line. Pretty simple. I'd be surprised if
Hoyer isn't telling the truth.
#Post#: 88087--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 6, 2012, 12:27 pm
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--- Quote from: brs2 link ---
>
> If the Cubs should reasonably expect the Dodgers' behavior
would be affected by knowing Dempster is on the line, and they
fail to tell the Dodgers, then the Cubs are open to accusations
of unfair dealing.
>
--- End Quote ---
"Unfair dealing"?
WTF is that? How would the Theocracy have been "unfair" in
their dealing with the Dodgers by letting Dempster listen? How
would the Cubs have gotten an "unfair" advantage or somehow
compelled the Dodgers to offer something they would not have
otherwise been willing to offer?
As to the concern about other names mentioned, ownership should
have thought of that when it agreed to the 5/10 rights which
truly changed the dynamic and put players like Dempster in the
middle of the mix. And in the case of the Dodgers, they needed
to consider that when they were discussing a trade for a 5/10
guy.... and the MLBPA should also have kept that in mind when
they negotiated the the 5/10 rights into existence and created a
situation in which teams have a considerable incentive to move a
player before he ever has those 5/10 rights vest, which is one
of the reasons we have so much roster turnover in the game, and
so few players who spend their entire careers with one team any
more.
#Post#: 88106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ray
Date: August 6, 2012, 1:32 pm
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I could understand if you called it unfair listening, but not
unfair dealing. As Jes said, the Cubs gained no competitive
advantage by having Dempster listen in besides maybe having him
agree to a trade with a different team more easily. I guess you
could say the Dodgers lost out on a potential boost to the team
by missing out on Dempster, but I'll maintain that the Cubs
wouldn't have given him away anyway. There's always the pick in
next years draft they could have chased.
I could also understand if you said it entered some gray areas
ethically, but i still wouldn't say it was a complete breach of
ethics or crossed any line, unless the parties were identified,
and he remained silent. Even if this were so and it was a
breach of ethics, this was a very unique situation, and I think
other gm's would recognize it as such, and not hold it against
the Cubs front office. They have no history of being ethically
challenged or having unfair dealings with other gm's.
In addition, every other GM wants to do whats best to improve
his respective club, and if that includes dealing with Hoyer or
Theo, then they will do so. Except for maybe the Dodgers, their
plan to fleece the Cubs was thwarted and I could see holding a
grudge. I will also admit my view may be somewhat biased
against the Dodgers in this matter because they were trying to
take advantage of my beloved Cubs, but oh well. Here's hoping
the Dodgers miss out on the playoffs because they didn't trade
for Dempster.
#Post#: 88107--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: jacey1
Date: August 6, 2012, 1:39 pm
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we wouldn't be having this conversation if it were not a 10-5
situation...
#Post#: 125784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: April 18, 2013, 4:23 pm
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Trying another experiment . . .
#Post#: 125785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: April 18, 2013, 4:23 pm
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I deleted a couple of my old posts in this topic.
#Post#: 125786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: April 18, 2013, 4:24 pm
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Kind of curious of that affects anything or not.
#Post#: 125788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: April 18, 2013, 4:29 pm
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I doubt it.
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