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#Post#: 88022--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ray
Date: August 5, 2012, 11:22 pm
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> Maybe they figure if he wanted to go there so bad, they can
sign him cheap this winter as a FA. Negative comments about his
value might work against that
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And, that's probably more likely...would love to have been a fly
on the wall for that phone call, and the following conversation.
#Post#: 88028--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 6, 2012, 12:11 am
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--- Quote from: Ray link ---
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> it makes one think they were talking to Ryan behind Theo's
back and telling him something different....otherwise, why would
they be ****ed?
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Maybe because it would be a complete breach of ethics to have
Dempster listening in on the call without telling the other
club?
#Post#: 88029--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Cubsin
Date: August 6, 2012, 12:21 am
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Maybe because it would be a complete breach of ethics to have
Dempster listening in on the call without telling the other
club?
>
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Ethics? In baseball? The game with doctored baseballs, corked
bats, stolen signs, steroids, umpires who think think they're
the reason people go to games and "Larry" Bud as Commisssioner?
#Post#: 88042--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 6, 2012, 1:30 am
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Doing more unethical things doesn't make any of the other
unethical things less wrong.
#Post#: 88044--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 6, 2012, 1:33 am
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Sun-Times:
‘‘If I was the Dodgers, I’d be upset if I thought players were
listening in on our conversations, but that’s clearly not what
happened,’’ Cubs GM Jed Hoyer said. ‘‘As I made clear [Tuesday]
in my press conference, I kicked Ryan out of my office and put
him in a separate office before we made any phone calls. Ryan
was in the offices so that he could be there on a moment’s
notice. He certainly wasn’t there to listen in on phone calls,
and we would never let that happen.’’
#Post#: 88047--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 6, 2012, 3:11 am
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That may well be (I hope so) but the implication was made here
that the only reason the Dodgers would be upset if that were
true is if they were planning something nefarious themselves,
which I strongly refute.
#Post#: 88050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ron
Date: August 6, 2012, 7:54 am
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Agree with Deeg. Write down that we reached agreement about
Dempster. ;)
#Post#: 88054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 6, 2012, 8:17 am
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Maybe because it would be a complete breach of ethics to have
Dempster listening in on the call without telling the other
club?
>
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What ethics?
Is it always in any human behavior unethical to allow another
person to listen to a conversation without everyone else in the
conversation knowing? Is that the case even when no one asked
that the conversation be completely confidential and when the
parties to that conversation routinely talk with reporters about
what was said and both parties EXPECT the substance of the
conversation to be relayed to the person who was allowed to
listen in? Is that the case when the conversation more directly
effects the life of the person allowed to listen in than it
effects anyone else?
Hoyer says the Cubs did NOT allow Dempster to listen in, so it
is hard to tell whether he was allowed or not, but I don't see
any problem with it.
#Post#: 88058--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ray
Date: August 6, 2012, 8:52 am
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Maybe because it would be a complete breach of ethics to have
Dempster listening in on the call without telling the other
club?
>
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Why is allowing Dempster to listen in on the call a complete
breach of ethics? I've been trying to give this a little
thought and am undecided on the matter, but leaning toward it
not being because of the circumstances, myself. I keep coming
back to if the Dodgers had been negotiating in good faith, it
wouldn't have come to that to begin with. Sometimes you have to
fight fire with fire. You'd choose to give Dempster away to the
Dodgers for basically nothing or keep him, rather than letting
him listen in and coming to the realization a Dodger trade was
not a smart baseball move for the Cubs?
Either way, it sounds like the report was a
misunderstanding...either that or Epstein/Hoyer are covering
their backs.
#Post#: 88062--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 6, 2012, 9:20 am
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In any negotiating, even Fantasy Baseball, it is normal to
badmouth the player you're after a little to drive the price
down, no matter how badly you really want him on your team. IF
the Dodgers thought Dempster had heard their comments, stuff
like "you know he choked against us in the playoffs a few years
back," I can see why they would be hacked off. Nobody wants to
go out of their way to offend others, and it certainly would
have dampened their relationship had they actually gotten him.
If he had heard negatives, it might have screwed up getting his
waiver of his 10-5 too.
In spite of all that, Hoyer says he wasn't in the room. I think
he's telling the truth.
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