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#Post#: 87447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 2, 2012, 1:55 pm
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> It shows a certain degree of inflexibility and a lack of good
faith that it takes eavesdropping to get Ryan to drop his
desires to go to LA. He could have refused anything but LA all
the way, and I'm glad he accepted Texas.
>
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It would only indicate those things if it was Dempster insisting
on listening in instead of Theo simply offering it.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 2, 2012, 1:57 pm
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> I agree with Play and ask why would we have any interest in
Dempster this off season? We are in the middle of a rebuild and
he is not young and is going to command at least a 3 year deal
dor 15 million. They might extend Garza (though I bet he is
dealt) but I see no chance Dempster is even considered.
>
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Depends entirely on what he offers to sign for, and what
conditions he wants in the contract.
It might end up that he loves the pennant race experience he
gets with Texas, but does not enjoy Texas, and by returning to
the Cubs he knows he would have a great chance of ending up with
another team in contention at the end with another trade
deadline move.
It all depends.
#Post#: 87463--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 2, 2012, 3:24 pm
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Estes sucks.
#Post#: 87483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: davep
Date: August 2, 2012, 6:50 pm
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--- Quote from: buff link ---
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> Dave if you really think there is a chance he is going to give
us a home town discount after this fiasco then you might need to
take a break. He is going to sign for the most money he can
this is probably going to be his last contract, definately his
last chance to truely cash in. His loyalty has been great that
I'm sure that discount is coming.
>
> Won't ever find out because I have no doubt that after the
Brave mess Theo has zero interest in bringing him back anyway.
Thank God we have Theo.
>
>
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I hope I didn't say that I thought that the Cubs would sign
Dempster. I merely gave a scenario in which they MIGHT sign
him, IF they believed in the scenario - trading him in midseason
next year for prospects.
If they don't try to resign him, I believe it means that they
believe that
1. they will not receive a significant home town discount. or
2. the think he will not have another career year next year,
and will not be worth it.
I do NOT believe that they will refuse to re-sign him because
they are mad at him. I have more faith in Epstein than to
believe he would act against the best interests of the team out
of spite.
Go Estes.
#Post#: 87500--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 2, 2012, 7:45 pm
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I think there was a chance for Dempster to return and may have
been part of the discussions. Why bring him back? For the same
reason they brought Wood back this year. Dave has already given
some reasons. But I agree, a friendly contract and a return are
unlikely given the snafu.
#Post#: 87551--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Cactus
Date: August 3, 2012, 9:44 am
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Cubette Tx
Date: August 3, 2012, 9:47 am
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How kewl is that? :)
#Post#: 87554--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: August 3, 2012, 9:49 am
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Two-faced jerk.
#Post#: 87555--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: brjones
Date: August 3, 2012, 9:50 am
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I hope Dempster does want to play in Chicago so much that he
comes back on a one or two year deal in the offseason. It would
be fun watching the heads explode around here.
#Post#: 87560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: craig
Date: August 3, 2012, 10:17 am
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Pitching like he did yesterday and over his last three outings
is the key for him to perhaps come back. If he's a
league-leading-ERA type ace, as was true first half, he'll get
rich offers from contending teams including several-year offers.
He'll be a target.
Last year he was a 4.8 ERA guy, with bad luck; the FIP stuff
suggested he should be better. I think this year the FIP stuff
suggests he should be worse. So I wonder if he pitches as a 4.2
ERA type guy, or worse, the next two months, then maybe his
market won't be so ace-ish. If he does particularly worse, and
is getting very limited pursuit by premium teams for an
almost-36-year-old Dempster, perhaps a Cubs deal might appeal,
and the Cubs won't be influenced by two months of struggle.
As Ron has mentioned, management doesn't really want to field a
terrible team and terrible pitchers. They'll have money to
spend on some veteran pitcher(s), just as they had money for
veterans like Maholm and DeJesus this season. Only they'll have
a lot more available, since the cba bars them from using as much
of their baseball budget on amateur procurement. And with
Dempster, Zambrano, perhaps even Garza off the payroll, and
Carlos Pena, that will provide some budget space even if overall
budget is significantly down do to reduced revenue. There will
be budget space for several guys in the Maholm-DeJesus-Dempster
class.
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