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#Post#: 87204--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Barney is a great second baseman.
#Post#: 87208--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ron
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> Actually, what Theo seems to be saying is that he told
Dempster well in advance that LA wasn't going to happen, that he
should get comfortable with Atlanta, and that Dempster got ****y
when word leaked out and held Theo's nuts in a vice right to the
end. Considering how PC he was trying to be, his irritation
comes across pretty clearly.
>
> "Dead Horse" is an apt term at this point. As much as your
seemingly boundless arrogance and condescension makes me want to
keep beating that horse, it's clearly pointless. So the field
is yours.
>
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We obviously disagree, and are not going to convince one another
to change our positions.
But I'm not sure how disagreeing with you on this, and trying to
point out what seems to me to be inconsistency between your
position and what has been said by parties with knowledge of the
situation have said constitutes "boundless arrogance and
condescension."
My position all along has been that I/we don't know the facts of
what happened in the private conversations between Theo/Jed and
Dempster, and that I didn't want to condemn him given the
information at hand. I don't believe that I've called anybody
names or impugned anyone's motives, intelligence, sincerity or
character. But in any event, if anything I have said came off
as "arrogant and condescending" to anyone, I certainly apologize
for that.
I hope we can agree to disagree without either of us getting
testy, much less nasty about it.
#Post#: 87209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> I took no offense at your post, Steve - I was just agreeing
with you that this topic has become a dead horse.
>
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ok...how's about we crush Casey Coleman? ;D
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: August 1, 2012, 3:02 pm
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> ok...how's about we crush Casey Coleman? ;D
>
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Why not? Everybody else does.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: August 1, 2012, 3:09 pm
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right....
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 1, 2012, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: AZSteve link ---
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> ok...how's about we crush Casey Coleman? ;D
>
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There's change we can believe in.
#Post#: 87227--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 1, 2012, 3:32 pm
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Theo's comments are interesting and useful but I think we should
recognize the obvious: public figures spin and sometimes public
comments are not exactly what is said privately. Still, no
evidence that Dempster misled Theo. Some may want to infer
without actual evidence--- and that's fine. We're not a jury
here deciding somebody's fate or damages.
Looking back, I think Dempster would have been better off not
giving some the impression that he would put the Cub's interests
ahead of his own interests. By definition, 10-5 rights give the
player the right to do what's best for the player---and
naturally Dempster did just that. Seems a bit unrealistic to
think a player would do otherwise but some read that into
Dempster's pre-Braves remarks. I think that reading was wrong.
Only concern I had was whether Dempster misled the brass. Theo
says No, publicly. My guess is that Theo is probably a bit
annoyed by Dempster but recognizes that it goes with 10-5
rights. Theo is management and 10-5 is not for management.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: August 1, 2012, 3:37 pm
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Well said, Reb. I agree.
#Post#: 87239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 1, 2012, 4:25 pm
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I also agree with Curt--it will be interesting to see what
happens in the off-season and whether they bring Dempster back.
#Post#: 87241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: August 1, 2012, 4:27 pm
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Dempster may not even be that interested in coming back after
the whole Atlanta trade controversy, although time does have a
way of healing wounds. I'd have to imagine his days as a Cub
are over for good, though.
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