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#Post#: 87176--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ron
Date: August 1, 2012, 1:53 pm
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> Comments from Theo:
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HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-epstein-defends-dempster-on-atlanta-trade-fiasco-20120801,0,4673128.story
HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-epstein-defends-dempster-on-atlanta-trade-fiasco-20120801,0,4673128.story
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> It seems reasonable to speculate that Dempster expected the
Dodgers to cave in the end, and only when it became apparent
that that was not going to happen did he agree to go elsewhere.
Dempster clearly did not have the best interests of the Cubs in
mind. But as Theo says, he might have done the same thing in
Dempster's place.
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Thanks for the link. Wow - Theo gives a very detailed
description of the process involving Dempster, and it's quite
different than it's been characterized by some here. Here's one
segment that shows Theo was not operating under the belief that
Dempster had already given his OK for a trade to the Braves
before the negotiations with them.
“We consummated a deal with Atlanta quietly, and told Ryan ‘We
have a deal, so you don’t have to decide right away, but keep
thinking about it,’” he said. “That was a good conversation, and
then the story leaked. And with the nature of technology and
social media these days, these things obviously spread quickly,
and like wildfire.”
Something tells me this won't make any difference with those who
believe Dempster lied to the Cubs.
#Post#: 87178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 1, 2012, 1:59 pm
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Ron, that coincides with what I was told that Theo was more
livid with ATL for the leak than Dempster for not giving an
immediate okay. But it's dead news.
#Post#: 87179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:02 pm
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Actually, that was a strikingly damning assessment from Epstein
considering how careful he has to be in his public statements.
But it's obvious that there's enough pride invested by those
defending Demp that no matter how damning the info, it won't
matter to them.
#Post#: 87181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:08 pm
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suggest getting a new dead horse to beat...
#Post#: 87185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ron
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Actually, that was a strikingly damning assessment from
Epstein considering how careful he has to be in his public
statements. But it's obvious that there's enough pride invested
by those defending Demp that no matter how damning the info, it
won't matter to them.
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Seriously? You've been saying all along that Theo would not
have negotiated with the Braves if Dempster had not assured him
that he would accept a trade to them. Nothing in Theo's
statements are consistent with that. Quite the contrary.
Epstein said 2-3 days before the trade was reported on the
Braves’ website, he told him Dempster to “start processing it,”
because the L.A. deal was probably not going to happen. On July
22, Epstein told Dempster the team had to make a decision
quickly or lose the chance to get Delgado.
The next morning, Epstein called Dempster again.
“We consummated a deal with Atlanta quietly, and told Ryan ‘We
have a deal, so you don’t have to decide right away, but keep
thinking about it,’” he said. “That was a good conversation, and
then the story leaked. And with the nature of technology and
social media these days, these things obviously spread quickly,
and like wildfire.”
You've been accusing people who wanted to know more before
condemning Dempster as having their heads in the sand (and
worse). Now when Theo provides a detailed and unambiguous
description that contradicts your assumption, you're going to
deny that he means it?
#Post#: 87187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:24 pm
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Actually, what Theo seems to be saying is that he told Dempster
well in advance that LA wasn't going to happen, that he should
get comfortable with Atlanta, and that Dempster got pissy when
word leaked out and held Theo's nuts in a vice right to the end.
Considering how PC he was trying to be, his irritation comes
across pretty clearly.
"Dead Horse" is an apt term at this point. As much as your
seemingly boundless arrogance and condescension makes me want to
keep beating that horse, it's clearly pointless. So the field
is yours.
#Post#: 87190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:27 pm
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no offence meant deeg...sorry
#Post#: 87201--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:47 pm
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> no offence meant deeg...sorry
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I took no offense at your post, Steve - I was just agreeing with
you that this topic has become a dead horse.
#Post#: 87202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:51 pm
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People see what they expect to see.
#Post#: 87203--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: August 1, 2012, 2:52 pm
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I'm personally ready to move on to more worthwhile endeavors,
such as watching Tim Tebow coverage on ESPN and debating the
Cubs rebuilding plan with jes.
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