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#Post#: 87123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> If you set aside the "he said, she said" portion of the
argument - and we'll never know the full truth of that because
Theo won't throw Dempster under the bus - the gist of Demp's
argument seems to be "I was totally amenable to going anywhere
to help the Cubs. I just wanted to wait till 3:55 on the 31st
to see if the Dodgers would cave. So any trade that didn't
happen isn't my fault, it's their fault for not being willing to
wait." That's totally disingenuous on the face of it, and
proves that for him this is really about trying to dick the Cubs
around while still preserving his carefully cultivated nice guy
image.
>
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Yep.
#Post#: 87130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: mO
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:40 pm
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--- Quote ---
> "We had explained to him for several days before we did that
deal that it was going to be the Braves, that they were the most
aggressive team," Hoyer said Wednesday on "The Waddle & Silvy
Show" on ESPN 1000.
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That's probably the closest you're going to get to throwing Demp
under the bus. Basically, he knew it was coming. He didn't
tell them not to pursue it. And when it happened, he acted
shocked and needed time to think about it.
#Post#: 87132--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Cubsin
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:42 pm
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I'm 30 years older than Theo, so I won't be around to read his
memoirs even if they're published some day. But I'll be quite
surprised if the Cubs re-sign Dempster and give him full
no-trade rights.
#Post#: 87135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:44 pm
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Whether the Cubs pursue Dempster this winter may be a good clue
as to the relationship or lack thereof. I have reason to
believe they were planning on pursuing before the fiasco. As
far as a no trade, I hope Theo doesn't give one of those to
anybody.
#Post#: 87137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: davep
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:46 pm
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I don't think Hoyer will be signing ANYONE and giving no-trade
rights. It just seems to be his philosophy, and one I generally
agree with.
#Post#: 87139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: JR
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:50 pm
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Two things I don't ever want to see in another Cubs contract are
no-trade clauses and player opt-outs midway through the deal.
#Post#: 87143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Cactus
Date: August 1, 2012, 12:54 pm
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Yawn
#Post#: 87153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: August 1, 2012, 1:16 pm
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Comments from Theo:
HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-epstein-defends-dempster-on-atlanta-trade-fiasco-20120801,0,4673128.story
It seems reasonable to speculate that Dempster expected the
Dodgers to cave in the end, and only when it became apparent
that that was not going to happen did he agree to go elsewhere.
Dempster clearly did not have the best interests of the Cubs in
mind. But as Theo says, he might have done the same thing in
Dempster's place.
#Post#: 87156--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: craig
Date: August 1, 2012, 1:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> If you set aside the "he said, she said" portion of the
argument - and we'll never know the full truth of that because
Theo won't throw Dempster under the bus - the gist of Demp's
argument seems to be "I was totally amenable to going anywhere
to help the Cubs. I just wanted to wait till 3:55 on the 31st
to see if the Dodgers would cave. So any trade that didn't
happen isn't my fault, it's their fault for not being willing to
wait." That's totally disingenuous on the face of it, and
proves that for him this is really about trying to dick the Cubs
around while still preserving his carefully cultivated nice guy
image.
>
--- End Quote ---
deeg, you are off by almost a whole hour! As quoted from ben in
the 2012 thread:
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> Heard Jed Hoyer interviewed on MLB radio network this
morning...he said: * "Timing" was the problem re the Dempster
deal with Atlanta not going down...rather than throw Dempster
under the bus, Hoyer said that, while Dempster had given the ok
to a trade to ATL, he had a strong preference for L.A. and
wanted to wait to see if he could be dealt there...when the ATL
deal came up well before the deadline, Dempster wouldn't agree
to it as is his right...Braves didn't want to wait to see what
might happen with L.A. When Cubs couldn't agree with L.A.
yesterday (which was our right), Dempster caved to being traded
to Texas or Yankees...that occurred about an hour before the
trade deadline...the Texas deal came together in the last 60
minutes before the deadline.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 87166--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: brjones
Date: August 1, 2012, 1:34 pm
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So now both sides seem to be saying essentially what many of the
Dempster "apologists" were saying here all last week...that he
probably just wasn't willing to waive his 10/5 rights while the
Dodgers were still a possibility, and that both sides realize
there were timing issues. Neither side is indicating they felt
lied to or that they were treated unfairly...just that the
timing didn't work out.
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