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#Post#: 86921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Deeg
Date: July 31, 2012, 7:08 pm
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Again, there's no way to know what the Cubs would have gotten
for Maholm and Johnson. But they would have had a full week to
do something, and also more opportunity to explore deals with
Garza.
Also, FWIW, their actions clearly show that both the Cubs and
Braves obviously valued Delgado higher than Vizcaino. But what
would they know?
#Post#: 86922--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: July 31, 2012, 7:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Reb link ---
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> If it's debatable whether Delgado or Vizcaino is a better
asset and you can only have one, then why any lament that the
Delgado deal fell apart?
>
--- End Quote ---
Because it helps Deeg rationalize demonizing Dempster.
#Post#: 86956--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: chgojhawk
Date: July 31, 2012, 8:43 pm
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Speaking of Teheran, a friend of mine was a South American scout
for the Cubs until a couple years ago. He told me he pushed
really hard for the Cubs to sign Teheran and Jose Quintana of
the Sox but was denied by the scout in South America as the head
guy wanted Venezuelans since that what his home country.
#Post#: 86961--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: craig
Date: July 31, 2012, 8:55 pm
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Wow. That's interesting, and depressing, jhawk.
#Post#: 86997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: July 31, 2012, 10:17 pm
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--- Quote from: JIGGY link ---
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> Im just glad the mother ****er is gone.
>
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What Jiggy said.
#Post#: 87052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Ron
Date: August 1, 2012, 7:56 am
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Hoyer says that there was never any animosity between Dempster,
Theo and him, that things were always amicable. Also says they
would welcome him back in the future. (invitation to scoffers)
#Post#: 87053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 1, 2012, 8:05 am
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--- Quote from: chgojhawk link ---
>
> Speaking of Teheran, a friend of mine was a South American
scout for the Cubs until a couple years ago. He told me he
pushed really hard for the Cubs to sign Teheran and Jose
Quintana of the Sox but was denied by the scout in South America
as the head guy wanted Venezuelans since that what his home
country.
>
--- End Quote ---
That just doesn't make sense. Did the Cubs have a quota at that
time on South American prospects? Or only a certain pool of
funds available for South American prospects and even if great
prospects were found they count not exceed it or use any of the
budget for other prospects?
#Post#: 87054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 1, 2012, 8:06 am
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
>
> Hoyer says that there was never any animosity between
Dempster, Theo and him, that things were always amicable. Also
says they would welcome him back in the future. (invitation to
scoffers)
>
--- End Quote ---
Not according to Deeg.
And Deeg knows.
#Post#: 87057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: August 1, 2012, 8:29 am
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Clearly we will never know what Dempster really told management
ahead of the deadline. If Hoyerstein were to come out and say
that they were misled by Dempster in a significant way, I would
jump on the anti-Dempster bandwagon. But that isn't going to
happen regardless of what really occurred. So I prefer to
respect what Dempster gave to the Cubs during his tenure and to
wish him well with Texas.
#Post#: 87064--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
DIR By: davep
Date: August 1, 2012, 8:52 am
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--- Quote from: Jes Beard link ---
>
> That just doesn't make sense. Did the Cubs have a quota at
that time on South American prospects? Or only a certain pool
of funds available for South American prospects and even if
great prospects were found they count not exceed it or use any
of the budget for other prospects?
>
--- End Quote ---
You have obviously never been in a high level budget fight with
other portions of your large organization. There is a strong
tendency to fight for what is best for YOUR part of the
organization, rather than for what is best for the organization
as a whole. The struggle is not merely for budget money, which
is just another way of keeping score, but for the power,
influence and status that comes along with it. Top management
knows it, understands it, tries to mitigate it, but can not
eliminate it.
I have no idea if there is any truth in the allegations, but
from my experience with budget fights in the military, and three
fairly large corporations over the past 50 years, it sounds
quite plausible to me.
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