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#Post#: 85439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
By: craig Date: July 26, 2012, 2:26 pm
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Heh, all four seem to apply to me. Definitely #2. He certainly
indicated that he'd be traded, there's strong indication that he
communicated with Theo/Hoyer that Atlanta was pretty positive.
Sure seems to me that he misled management and is very deserving
of criticism for doing that. We can wonder how badly he misled
management, but we know he very much misled the fans. Bonk
bonk. That said, #4 applies (who knows what other layers
apply), #3 applies (he had the right, so can't fault him for
that). But rights don't make it right to mislead.
#Post#: 85441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
By: DelMarFan Date: July 26, 2012, 2:29 pm
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All of them, but mostly 4. Like P2, I agree with what JR said,
but a part of me feels some of #2 as well.
#Post#: 85448--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
By: Cubsin Date: July 26, 2012, 3:35 pm
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I voted for #2. There's all sorts of evidence that Theo and Jed
had in-depth conversations with Dempster, then built their
entire trade deadline strategy around his expressed wishes.
Whether he lied from the outset, got cold feet or just felt like
being the hammer doesn't matter to me. He said he'd do what was
best for the Cubs, then didn't. I have no respect for Ryan
Dempster. He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
By: brjones Date: July 26, 2012, 4:06 pm
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[quote author=Cubsin link=topic=80.msg85448#msg85448
date=1343334903]
I voted for #2. There's all sorts of evidence that Theo and Jed
had in-depth conversations with Dempster, then built their
entire trade deadline strategy around his expressed wishes.
Whether he lied from the outset, got cold feet or just felt like
being the hammer doesn't matter to me. He said he'd do what was
best for the Cubs, then didn't. I have no respect for Ryan
Dempster. He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.
[/quote]
That would be a defensible position if we knew that Dempster had
gone back on what he said. But the fact is, no one here knows
what Dempster said to Theo and Jed. Again, for all we know, he
told them that he'd be likely to go to any of several
contenders, but would wait until the deadline after all
conversations with the Dodgers had been exhausted before he'd
accept another deal. Until we have anything that remotely
indicates Dempster told the front office that he'd immediately
accept any offer they presented to him, I think you have to make
huge, possibly incorrect assumptions to decide he lied or went
back on his word.
I selected option #4, because we just don't have the information
to make the judgment that he went back on his word. But #3 is
also a good choice, because the statements to the media that we
do have left it vague as to whether or not he'd reject a trade.
I don't blame the media (it's not their fault someone on the
Braves side failed to keep their mouth shut).
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Re: Ryan Dempster
By: Jes Beard Date: July 26, 2012, 4:06 pm
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[quote author=Cubsin link=topic=80.msg85448#msg85448
date=1343334903]
He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.
[/quote]
Well, I would have to agree there.
The guy deserves to be on a winner, and I suspect that he will
be, and that will not be the Cubs.
#Post#: 85463--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
By: papa smurf Date: July 26, 2012, 5:06 pm
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I went with # 2 there is no way the cubs make a deal with alt
and not think he would go there.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
By: Jes Beard Date: July 26, 2012, 5:33 pm
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[quote author=papa smurf link=topic=80.msg85463#msg85463
date=1343340369]
I went with # 2 there is no way the cubs make a deal with alt
and not think he would go there.
[/quote]
Why not?
#Post#: 85498--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ryan Dempster
By: Cactus Date: July 26, 2012, 6:58 pm
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Bleacher Nation's take on what Dave Kaplan had to say:
[quote]
The gist is, the Cubs thought they had an understanding with
Dempster that they could negotiating with either the Braves or
Dodgers, and then they got a better offer from the Braves. When
Dempster through up a roadblock (albeit possibly temporary),
asking the Cubs to try once more with the Dodgers, the Braves
pulled their offer so they could explore other options. And
that’s where we stand, as the Cubs try to get an acceptable deal
from the Dodgers. The Cubs, Kap says, are trying to net a
“handful” of pitching prospects, which suggests they will
generally be of a lesser tier than Delgado.
[/quote]
If this is accurate, what Dempster did was not objectionable.
Had the Braves MLB.com writer not made the yet to be completed
deal public, there would be no criticism of Demp's actions.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
By: DelMarFan Date: July 26, 2012, 7:13 pm
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[quote]Had the Braves MLB.com writer not made the yet to be
completed deal public, there would be no criticism of Demp's
actions.[/quote]
Absolutely. But the writer wouldn't have even known about it
without someone in the Braves FO leaking the info. I'm still
curious about that and wondering whether it was deliberate.
Probably they just thought the deal was done, though.
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Re: Ryan Dempster
By: Ron Date: July 26, 2012, 7:30 pm
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Meanwhile, just to demonstrate how totally reliable internet
rumors are, after (I believe more than) one report that the
Dodgers had offered Webster straight up for Dempster, with the
Cubs balking, Jon Heyman now claims just the opposite - that the
Cubs made that offer, with the Dodgers refusing.
Who's on first?
Heyman also says he's told Dempster told Braves player he'd
accept trade, but changed his mind. As always, all of these
reports should be consumed with a very healthy dose of sea salt.
Hoping Kaplan's rumors trump the national guys.
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