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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: guest424 Date: December 9, 2024, 7:00 pm
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Jed Hoyer on potentially changing up his team's offense: "Its
safe to say that happening is most likely to happen via trade."
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: brjones Date: December 9, 2024, 7:13 pm
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From Jesse Rogers:
Jed Hoyer on top of the market players (like Soto): "There is
nothing that precludes us from being involved in those players.
We did, orgnizationally, decide not to pursue that one. It
doesn't mean in the future we won't but that was one we didn't."
Just fire him. If there was nothing stopping him from at least
trying for Soto and he just decided not to do it, he’s not
qualified to run the team.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Deeg Date: December 9, 2024, 7:18 pm
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[quote author=brjones link=topic=647.msg503866#msg503866
date=1733793182]
From Jesse Rogers:
Jed Hoyer on top of the market players (like Soto): "There is
nothing that precludes us from being involved in those players.
We did, orgnizationally, decide not to pursue that one. It
doesn't mean in the future we won't but that was one we didn't."
Just fire him. If there was nothing stopping him from at least
trying for Soto and he just decided not to do it, he’s not
qualified to run the team.
[/quote]
He’s not throwing Ricketts under the bus even if that was what
was stopping him. Most likely yeah, Jed would be too terrified
to swim in those waters even if PTR gave him the go-ahead. But
things aren’t getting better unless both of them are gone.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: chgojhawk Date: December 9, 2024, 7:32 pm
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[quote author=JeffH link=topic=647.msg503856#msg503856
date=1733787328]
I believe we call that an "Orlando Woolridge". In some circles,
it may also be referred to as a "Reggie Theus".
[/quote]
AlfredBRICK Hughes
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: ticohans Date: December 9, 2024, 10:37 pm
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[quote author=DUSTY link=topic=647.msg503864#msg503864
date=1733792382]
Jed Hoyer on top of the market players (like Soto): "There is
nothing that precludes us from being involved in those players.
We did, orgnizationally, decide not to pursue that one. It
doesn't mean in the future we won't but that was one we didn't."
[/quote]
“Yeah, we didn’t want 26 year old Frank Robinson.”
Hoyer understands his job well: carry water for the Ricketts,
derisk at every feasible opportunity, and print cash.
And just like Tom, he’s increasingly comfortable insulting the
fan base’s intelligence if that’s what it takes.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Reb Date: December 9, 2024, 11:00 pm
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[quote author=ticohans link=topic=647.msg503869#msg503869
date=1733805431]
“Yeah, we didn’t want 26 year old Frank Robinson.”
Hoyer understands his job well: carry water for the Ricketts,
derisk at every feasible opportunity, and print cash.
And just like Tom, he’s increasingly comfortable insulting the
fan base’s intelligence if that’s what it takes.
[/quote]
Hoyer said didn’t “pursue” Soto, not that didn’t want him. Cubs
did exactly same thing that John Middleton did: decline to be
used as a foil for Boras to drive up what Steve Cohen was going
to pay for Soto.
Cubs went after Ohtani because thought had a chance to sign him,
whereas Steve Cohen was dead set on “stealing” a guy away from
crosstown rival Yankees. Wholly different dynamic.
How come Ricketts/Hoyer don’t get credit from the naysayers for
pursuing Ohtani?
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Dave23 Date: December 9, 2024, 11:04 pm
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What’s the harm in being a foil? It drives up their payroll, and
might even be remembered down the road by Boras in future
negotiations.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Deeg Date: December 9, 2024, 11:31 pm
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I think my favorite part of hot stove season is the sound of
shills frantically moving goalposts.
I also love to see “The Dodgers have an advantage because
everybody wants to play for them” cited without a trace of irony
- as if that weren’t an endorsement of the way they do business
and an indictment of the way the Cubs do.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Reb Date: December 9, 2024, 11:38 pm
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[quote author=Dave23 link=topic=647.msg503873#msg503873
date=1733807070]
What’s the harm in being a foil? It drives up their payroll, and
might even be remembered down the road by Boras in future
negotiations.
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Red Sox and Jays did this (apparently not Dodgers, who
supposedly offered shorter-term deal). Not sure what they
accomplished.
Doubtful the bid will get much goodwill from Red Sox fans. They
want to see results after low spending and results 2023/24. Did
Ricketts and Cubs get much (or any) goodwill for pursuing Ohtani
a year ago? Not that I can see. Not here.
What drove up Soto price was what everybody knew: that Yankees
really, really, really wanted to retain Soto. And perhaps a
chance that Soto might take slightly less money to stay a
Yankee. Aaron Judge did that.
But slightly less money to become a Red Sox? A Jay? Or a Cub?
Why would Soto do that?
It’s a fantasy and a waste of time and energy. Boras probably
quietly laughs at you in the end.
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Re: Cubs in ‘25
By: Reb Date: December 9, 2024, 11:52 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=647.msg503875#msg503875
date=1733808701]
I think my favorite part of hot stove season is the sound of
shills frantically moving goalposts.
I also love to see “The Dodgers have an advantage because
everybody wants to play for them” cited without a trace of irony
- as if that weren’t an endorsement of the way they do business
and an indictment of the way the Cubs do.
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What is sad (but predictable) is how you question other people’s
motives for what they say in their posts.
Acting as a spokesman or facilitator for Ricketts or Hoyer?
It’s insulting toward other posters but that’s your modus
operandi. You’ve said that kind of thing so many times who can
count? Sad.
As to L.A., two things can be true at same time: that Dodgers
are smart AND that L.A. is itself an enticement for players. Is
it really necessary to point that out? That’s actually a
mystery?
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