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       #Post#: 503848--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: Dave23
       Date: December 9, 2024, 3:35 pm
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       Agreed…if we’re not in Scott’s ballpark, Yates is the best
       option…
       #Post#: 503849--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: ticohans
       Date: December 9, 2024, 3:39 pm
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       --- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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       > Tom and Jed have lost BN, remarkably.
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       >
  HTML https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2024/12/09/cubs-payroll-spending/
       >
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       “They have simply refused to participate in the top-end of the
       free agent market, despite (1) playing in one of the largest
       markets in the country, (2) boasting one of the highest team
       valuations in the sport, and (3) maintaining one of the priciest
       game day experiences in baseball.”
       The Ricketts family does not deserve the Cubs
       #Post#: 503852--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: craig
       Date: December 9, 2024, 4:09 pm
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       That Nationals released Finnegan rather than face $8-ish in arb
       salary perhaps says something about how they perceived his
       value, and about his price point.  If the Cubs were to sign a
       guy like that, I'd think he would have opportunity to possibly
       close, but no strong promise.  Giving Hodge the chance to stick
       as closer, and having a guy like Finnegan return to setup work
       would seem pretty plausible.
       #Post#: 503853--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: Deeg
       Date: December 9, 2024, 4:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: craig link ---
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       > That Nationals released Finnegan rather than face $8-ish in
       arb salary perhaps says something about how they perceived his
       value, and about his price point.  If the Cubs were to sign a
       guy like that, I'd think he would have opportunity to possibly
       close, but no strong promise.  Giving Hodge the chance to stick
       as closer, and having a guy like Finnegan return to setup work
       would seem pretty plausible.
       >
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       Finnegan is that NBA guy people who know nothing about
       basketball think is a good player because he scores 20 PPG
       chucking 25 shots a night for a tanking team who has no one else
       who can score.
       4.24 FIP, 1.32 WHIP. He’s just a guy. How much pressure is there
       closing games for a team trying to lose? If there’s such a thing
       as the arch-typical Jed “headline” move, Finnegn would be it.
       Just sign a good player.
       #Post#: 503854--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: CUBluejays
       Date: December 9, 2024, 4:36 pm
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       Boyd, Finnegan, Kelly..............         Really working hard
       to get to that 90 win threshold.
       #Post#: 503855--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: Reb
       Date: December 9, 2024, 4:58 pm
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       There are other relievers still out there preferable over
       Finnegan but watched Finnegan quite a bit as a Nat and he’s a
       bulldog on the mound. Outperforms his FIP every season of his
       career, typically by a wide margin.
       For me, he’s better suited in a non-closer role because gave up
       some devastating 9th inning homers that Nats could not recover
       from.
       A workhorse type guy, good for 65 appearances, with 97 velo fb
       and a split. Can see why Nats didn’t want to pay him $8.6
       projected—— or maybe more as arb process not always predictable.
       Nats wanted him back—just not at that price. Everybody knows
       that his hard hit rate and avg exit velo is very poor but he’s a
       better-than-average reliever overall. Wherever he lands, would
       expect him to outperform his FIP once again.
       #Post#: 503856--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: JeffH
       Date: December 9, 2024, 5:35 pm
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       --- Quote from: Deeg link ---
       > Finnegan is that NBA guy people who know nothing about
       basketball think is a good player because he scores 20 PPG
       chucking 25 shots a night for a tanking team who has no one else
       who can score.
       --- End Quote ---
       I believe we call that an "Orlando Woolridge".  In some circles,
       it may also be referred to as a "Reggie Theus".
       #Post#: 503858--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: guest424
       Date: December 9, 2024, 6:37 pm
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       @jonmorosi
       A.J. Minter is one of the most popular free agent LH relievers
       among teams at the
       @MLB
       Winter Meetings.
       The Braves would like to bring him back, and the Cubs and
       Rangers are among the clubs with interest.
       #Post#: 503859--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: guest424
       Date: December 9, 2024, 6:41 pm
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       Chris Getz on a potential Cubs/Sox deal. He and Jed Hoyer live
       near each other:
       "We've had conversations about various topics over coffee on
       occasion. If there is a match, there is a match. We have to do
       what's best for the White Sox. If that means we knock on the
       door of the Cubs, so be it. They have a talented (prospect)
       group that's working its way to the major leagues. If it can
       help the White Sox, we'll do it but there are other org that
       have talent that we might match up better with."
       #Post#: 503864--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘25
   DIR By: guest424
       Date: December 9, 2024, 6:59 pm
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       Jed Hoyer on top of the market players (like Soto): "There is
       nothing that precludes us from being involved in those players.
       We did, orgnizationally, decide not to pursue that one. It
       doesn't mean in the future we won't but that was one we didn't."
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