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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Jackiejokeman Date: January 10, 2012, 10:13 pm
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[quote author=Pekin link=topic=64.msg51289#msg51289
date=1326254923]
No.
First of all no way Miami trades their best offensive weapon for
a second. As someone (Yapper I believe) said the Bears have
tons of money under the cap.
Get the true #1 WR in free agency and stock up on young players.
If the Bears do not make the play offs next year they will fire
Lovie and will have to rebuild. Even if they make the play offs
they have to start re-stocking the shelves with younger players.
[/quote]
I wouldnt predict that Lovie would be here beyond next month
after what happened at Oakland.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Pekin Date: January 10, 2012, 10:23 pm
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The Raiders did not say Jackson was safe before they hired a GM.
The Bears did.
The Bears did the same thing with Jauron and he was safe.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Grizzlybear34 Date: January 11, 2012, 6:51 am
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[quote author=yapper link=topic=64.msg51207#msg51207
date=1326223638]
This offseason comes down to picking up 4 (possibly 5) critical
players:
- A starting LT
- A #1 WR (big, strong, fast -- the whole package)
- A 3rd DE with big-time pass rush ability
- A CB who can immediately upgrade the #2 opposite Tillman and
replace him as our 1 in 2-3 years
- (Possibly) A 2nd WR to complete our WR trio (along with the
#1, and Bennett); depending on what scheme Tice installs and the
fate of Johnny Knox, this could either be a small, blazing fast
Knox type or a possession-plus, 1a type WR
If we get those 5 players in here and Tice can put some sort of
competitive offense on the field on a regular basis, we're back
in the hunt (assuming all our injured guys come back 100% of
course). With 4 draft picks in the top 3 rounds and a bunch of
room under the cap to go after FAs, there is no excuse for not
getting every one of those needs addressed between now and May.
Any GM who knows what he's doing should be able to get this
to-do list handled without a great deal of difficulty.
[/quote]
Yapper - The closest thing to this in recent memory would be
what Philly did last year getting Babin, Jenkins, and the CB
from the Raiders that I can't spell his name and then back-up QB
Young. Give me an example that you are thinking of, it just
seems that what you rolled out there would be very difficult and
not as you put it, any run of the mill GM out there among the
32.
The starting cornerstone LT is likely the hardest position to
fill in the NFL. Possibility ranking 5 (hardest to fill from
your list)
A number 1 receiver, ala Megatron - perhaps VJackson, that is
doable. There will be many, not just us pursuing. Possibility
ranking 3
A 3rd DE with big pass rushing ability, like...? Tell me some
comparables that you would say fit the bill and tell me some FAs
or potential draftees that would be available? I'd say it is
hard to predict what a draftee will do. Possibility ranking 4
A number 2 CB, completely agree, that maybe the easiest of your
list to complete. There just have to be upgrades out there
better than Jennings. I'd even be interested in getting someone
to be a #1, and have Tillman be the #2. Possibility ranking 1
A 1a receiver? I am concerned about Knox. That was just
brutal, never seen an injury like that occur. That was
Theismanesque. I think if he returns and with Bennett, we are
okay. That is a big if. I'd probably try to find someone like
that in the draft similar to Knox. Short, quick, burst guy. I
think Hester needs to be relegated to 3rd downs and a package of
routes that fit his skills. I still think that Philly does it
best with DJackson when his head is in the game. Don't send
Hester down the seam to catch the ball in traffic, his hands
just aren't reliable. Possibility ranmking 2
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Grizzlybear34 Date: January 11, 2012, 7:04 am
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Yaps - After reading your post again I see you included the
draft picks in the first 3 rounds. I still believe the draft is
very hard to predict booms and busts outside of the top 12
picks. You can't miss in the top 12, after that hit and miss.
How would everyone rate the draft? While I know Carimi has some
yellow flags on him from a few teams, given where we drafted in
the first round he was good value. He showed the edge we were
looking for and was injured. How many games did he miss in
college?
Paea - I think looks like a player. For whatever reason, the
Bears brought him along slowly last season. He seemed to be a
playmaker once he got on the field and I think he and Melton,
Okoye is a nice young core that I hope we can keep together. We
still need a big plugger, not sure who that is.
Conte - Good pick, was criticised by many on this board at the
time of his selection. He looked solid and with a year under
his belt I'd look to see him used closer to the line following
his rookie season. I am not saying he is our strong safety, but
I think the coaches were putting him routinely 20 years of the
LOS. Look for that to pinch up.
Enderle - Hate the pick. Waste of a 5th round pick when you
have a top QB in his prime. Cutler is 27 and we don't need to
be drafting developmental QBs. Stupid pick.
Thomas - Injury red shirt, likely no more than a special teams
player.
After seeing it for a season. I'd give this draft a B-
considering where the Bears picked and the production they got
in return. Carimi if healthy would have pushed this draft up to
a solid B. 3 Starters out of this draft.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: navigator Date: January 11, 2012, 7:18 am
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if you look at Angelo's last 3-4 drafts, a higher number of his
players have stuck than in his previous drafts.
He mentioned changing his philosophy the year he drafted
Williams and Forte and it shows.
Now maybe the answer is we were so bad it was easier to find
guys who stuck but I don't think that was the case.
#Post#: 51310--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: BearHit Date: January 11, 2012, 7:19 am
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They better be drafting a QB this year - hopefully one that can
compete with McCown for the #2 spot
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: yapper Date: January 11, 2012, 8:20 am
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Grizz -
Here's how you do it.
- LT: sign in FA (preferably), OR draft Mike Adams from Ohio
State with our 1st round pick; our LT position is so weak that
we can take the best OT available at 19 and he'll still be an
upgrade.
- #1 WR: via FA
- 3rd DE: Draft Melvin Ingram or the Coples kid from UNC with
our 1st round pick, OR sign in FA (Cliff Avril may be
available)
- 2nd CB: Draft with our 2nd round pick. This year's CB class
is deep. We won't be getting a top-tier CB in the 2nd round but
we should still be able to get a guy that's better than Jennings
or Bowman out of the gate. Like LT, this is a position where
the current guys are so shaky that a decent rookie should still
represent an upgrade.
- 2nd WR: Package our two 3rd round picks to get back up into
the 2nd round and there, take either the WR from UNC, or Nick
Toon, or if we need to replace Knox there should be a smaller
speed guy available here too.
That's our 5 big needs, addressed right there with no more than
two big FA outlays our first 4 picks of the draft. And we still
have rounds 4-7 of the draft to use for depth, upgrade STs or
whatever.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Sportster Date: January 11, 2012, 4:24 pm
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Angie's drafts....players in bold still on the team. 2011 squad,
jurys still out on them. 10' squad, sucks. 09' squad, for having
9 picks, with what little came of it, sucks. His most successful
was the 08' of the four. Still he has produced VERY little in
the way of playmakers or difference makers and even fewer Pro
Bowl players. Forte is it....not impressive AT all!!! Glad he is
GONE!!!!!!
<br>
2011
Rnd Name
1 <b> Gabe Carimi </b>
2 <b> Stephen Paea </b>
3 <b> Chris Conte </b>
5 <b> Nathan Enderle </b>
6 <b> J.T. Thomas </b>
2010
Rnd Name
3 <b> Major Wright </b>
4 <b> Corey Wootton </b>
5 Joshua Moore -Practice Squad player
6 Dan LeFevour
7 <b> J'Marcus Webb </b>
2009
Rnd Name
3 Jarron Gilbert
3 Juaquin Iglesias
4 <b> Henry Melton </b>
4 <b> D.J. Moore </b>
5 <b> Johnny Knox </b>
5 Marcus Freeman
6 Al Afalava
7 <b> Lance Louis</b>
7 Derek Kinder
2008
Rnd Name
1 <b> Chris Williams </b>
2 <b> Matt Forte </b>
3 <b> Earl Bennett </b>
3 Marcus Harrison
4 <b> Craig Steltz </b>
5 Zackary Bowman
5 <b> Kellen Davis </b>
7 Ervin Baldwin
7 Chester Adams
7 Joey LaRocque
7 Kirk Barton
7 Marcus Monk
#Post#: 51605--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Jackiejokeman Date: January 12, 2012, 11:29 pm
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A few WR's of note coming up in the 2012 draft.
Justin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2012): Top 10 Pick.
Alshon Jeffery*, WR, South Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.
Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Height: 5-10. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Mohamed Sanu*, WR, Rutgers
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2012): 2.
Tommy Streeter*, WR, Miami
Height: 6-5. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Rueben Randle*, WR, LSU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Height: 6-3. Weight: 217.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
T.Y. Hilton, WR/KR, Florida International
Height: 5-10. Weight: 183.
Projected 40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round (2012): 3.
Ryan Broyles, WR/PR, Oklahoma
Height: 5-11. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2012): 3.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
By: Jackiejokeman Date: January 14, 2012, 9:35 pm
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After the loss of Olsen,thanks to angelo, who was Cutlers
safety valve ...
we should notice what N.E. is doing with two T.E.'s.
They are lining up Hernandez at RB and he is getting numbers
against Denver.
Here's some T.E.'s worth note.
Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Height: 6-6. Weight: 248.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Tyler Eifert*, TE, Notre Dame
Height: 6-6. Weight: 242.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Orson Charles*, TE, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 241.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 3-4.
Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 3-4.
George Bryan, TE, N.C. State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
Height: 6-6. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
Drake Dunsmore, TE, Northwestern
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
Nick Provo, TE, Syracuse
Height: 6-4. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
Philip Lutzenkirchen, TE, Auburn
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.
Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
Height: 6-6. Weight: 270.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
Josh Chichester, TE, Louisville
Height: 6-8. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
Rhett Ellison, TE, USC
Height: 6-5. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.
Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana-Lafayette
Height: 6-6. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.
Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.
Brandon Barden, TE, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2012): 6-7.
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