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Re: Hot Stove
By: Reb Date: December 1, 2023, 7:47 pm
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Montgomery will get a more lucrative deal than Stroman because
Stroman ended the season hurt.
If 2023 trade deadline was July 15 and Cubs were dealing,
Stroman would have got a better return for Cubs than Cards got
for Montgomery. But, Montgomery ended the season and post-season
strong, so that’s a big influencer—as it should be.
If you could promise me a healthy Stroman going forward, would
take Stroman over Montgomery for next few seasons.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: craig Date: December 1, 2023, 7:53 pm
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...My sense is that the Cubs were pretty fortunate health-wise
last summer. But, maybe they weren't actually that lucky?
Stroman was gone or hurtful for >3 months. Hendricks missed a
couple of months. Suzuki missed a month and took a while to get
back. Steele was DL'd. Bellinger was DL. Hoerner was DL.
Fulmer was DL for a lot. Swanson was hurt. Alzolay was DL.
Candelario was DL. You never know, but the Cubs could add a
couple of wins by better health? Stroman alone maybe cost a
couple of wins?
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Reb Date: December 1, 2023, 7:55 pm
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For whatever team finishes second in the race for Ohtani,
congratulations for the strong showing and here’s your prize:
NOTHING!
As the saying goes.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Deeg Date: December 1, 2023, 8:11 pm
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Montgomery was better than Stroman in every category in 22 and
23 - # of starts, ERA, FIP. He's two years younger. He's a
better pitcher and he's going to get a better contract for a
reason.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: craig Date: December 1, 2023, 8:13 pm
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[quote author=Reb link=topic=630.msg483282#msg483282
date=1701481627]...If 2023 trade deadline was July 15 and Cubs
were dealing, Stroman would have got a better return for Cubs
than Cards got for Montgomery. But, Montgomery ended the season
and post-season strong, so that’s a big influencer—as it should
be...[/quote]
Stroman through mid-June was coming off as productive a
2.5-month stretch as he's maybe ever had in his career. I think
some reversion to the mean was probably due anyway? His
production over recent years has probably been kinda on par with
Montgomery, but Stroman is 1.5-years older. And I wonder how
durable he'll be moving forward? Two years straight not getting
to 140 innings, and sometimes as guys cruise into their mid-30's
that doesn't necessarily get better.
But yeah, if it's Stroman who we end up signing, I'll assume
there's a pretty good chance that he'll give more value next
year than this.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: CurtOne Date: December 1, 2023, 8:17 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=630.msg483280#msg483280
date=1701479956]
I wasn't aware that he had to have his arm wrung to sign
Bellinger. Is there a source for that?
[/quote]I'm not aware either. Just taking a page out of FOX
News and editorializing a bit. Besides, a good journalist never
surrenders his sources.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: CUBluejays Date: December 1, 2023, 8:28 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=630.msg483274#msg483274
date=1701475466]
Yes, Montgomery is better than Stroman. He's two years younger,
one of the more consistent SP in baseball, and shows no signs of
decline yet (average velocity last year was the highest of his
career). He'll cost more too, of course, though some are
estimating a lot less than 6/140. He could represent one of the
better values in the SP market, though he isn't exactly the miss
bats power arm the Cubs need at the top of the rotation.
[/quote]
1) He doesn’t strike people out
2) He is a fly ball pitcher who survives on weak contact. If
the ball changes or he gives up more hard contact those fly ball
outs become HR’s and he’s had a HR issue before.
3) Stroman doesn’t strike people out, but he gives up
groundballs. Hard hit grounders don’t become HR. Give me that
profile over Montgomery’s profile everyday.
4) The Cubs need pitchers who can strike people out. They don’t
need another contact manager. I’d rather take a flyer on
Giolito.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: brjones Date: December 1, 2023, 8:31 pm
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As reluctant as Hoyer has been to sign guys to long term
contracts, I can't imagine him giving Montgomery 6 years if
that's what it takes. I doubt he'll ever be a Cub.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Dave23 Date: December 1, 2023, 8:32 pm
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Stroman’s mystery injury is a big red flag for me. What is he
hiding?
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Deeg Date: December 1, 2023, 9:09 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=630.msg483289#msg483289
date=1701484136]
1) He doesn’t strike people out
2) He is a fly ball pitcher who survives on weak contact. If
the ball changes or he gives up more hard contact those fly ball
outs become HR’s and he’s had a HR issue before.
3) Stroman doesn’t strike people out, but he gives up
groundballs. Hard hit grounders don’t become HR. Give me that
profile over Montgomery’s profile everyday.
4) The Cubs need pitchers who can strike people out. They don’t
need another contact manager. I’d rather take a flyer on
Giolito.
[/quote]
Montogomery has struck out 8.4/9 over his career, which is
hardly low. A full K higher than Stroman too.
I don’t think Montgomery will get 6 years, and I wouldn’t give
him that. I’m not a huge advocate - just pointing out that he’s
better than Stroman and on the right deal, I’d consider him a
decent addition.
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