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Hot Stove
By: Dave23 Date: November 2, 2023, 9:57 am
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Let the offseason begin!
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Dave23 Date: November 14, 2023, 7:45 am
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Imanaga is reportedly getting posted today.
PJ Higgins has signed a minor league deal with the Reds, with an
invite to ST.
Trevor Clifton has signed a minor league deal with Toronto.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: CUBluejays Date: November 16, 2023, 11:59 am
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HTML https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38905458/shohei-ohtani-free-agent-chicago-cubs-cody-bellinger
Massive update from Jessie.
-It sounds like Ohtani or bust for a big addition
-No bidding war for Bellinger, so if he has interest from
another team he's gone
-Shota Imanaga has been to Chicago already
-May try and trade for Burnes if he's avaiable
-Candelario is unlikely to come back
-Morel as mentioned in relation to an Alonso trade, if that is
the cost just sign Rhys.
No impression after this.
70% the Cubs have a less talented team on paper
29% they're about the same
1% they improve the roster, call this the Ohtani upset.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: craig Date: November 16, 2023, 1:28 pm
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I wonder if Ohtani wanting a short deal appeals to Hoyer;
whereas Bellinger wanting long doesn't? He hates long deals and
values "flexibility." So Ohtani will actually be the cheaper
deal?
I like to get media reports and perspectives, and input from
"sources". But Hoyer's front office has been pretty private.
"Multiple sources" is great, but Hoyer isn't telling agents or
scouts or assistant GM's from other teams what he's trying to
do. Not sure how much weight, if any, to put on the opinions of
industry sources?
Super dumb Ohtani question. I understand he's not supposed to
**pitch** this year. But is there any chance that he'd like to
play 1B, rather than strictly DH, and that the throwing from 1B
would be OK for him? Obviously 1B is a really complex position
to play, so perhaps without any experience there even a phenom
like Ohtani would be terrible. Just thinking that perhaps he'd
think that would be fun, and he'd feel more a part of the
action? If two teams make similar offers, but the other team
can only offer him DH usage, *IF* Hoyer could allow him the
chance to play 1B, might that perhaps swing him our way?
That Imanaga has already been to Chicago is pretty interesting.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: craig Date: November 16, 2023, 1:33 pm
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Two Boras thoughts: He's a good agent and gets his players good
deals, but it's still an open market. And he gets the best
players, so if you want to sign top players, you should be
willing to talk with Boras. I think it would be dumb to stay
off of Bellinger because he's a Boras guy. Bellinger is a free
agent, so *IF* you sign him, the deal is the deal, who cares if
you worked it with Boras?
But, that's very different with Alonso and Soto, who are NOT FA.
If you sign Bellinger, you get him multi-year. But *IF* you
trade for Alonso or Soto, it's obviously just rental. Trading
for Boras rentals who you know will not extend, there I think
being Boras guys, I think that should be a showstopper.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: chgojhawk Date: November 16, 2023, 1:47 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=630.msg482535#msg482535
date=1700162900]
I wonder if Ohtani wanting a short deal appeals to Hoyer;
whereas Bellinger wanting long doesn't? He hates long deals and
values "flexibility." So Ohtani will actually be the cheaper
deal?
I like to get media reports and perspectives, and input from
"sources". But Hoyer's front office has been pretty private.
"Multiple sources" is great, but Hoyer isn't telling agents or
scouts or assistant GM's from other teams what he's trying to
do. Not sure how much weight, if any, to put on the opinions of
industry sources?
Super dumb Ohtani question. I understand he's not supposed to
**pitch** this year. But is there any chance that he'd like to
play 1B, rather than strictly DH, and that the throwing from 1B
would be OK for him? Obviously 1B is a really complex position
to play, so perhaps without any experience there even a phenom
like Ohtani would be terrible. Just thinking that perhaps he'd
think that would be fun, and he'd feel more a part of the
action? If two teams make similar offers, but the other team
can only offer him DH usage, *IF* Hoyer could allow him the
chance to play 1B, might that perhaps swing him our way?
That Imanaga has already been to Chicago is pretty interesting.
[/quote]
I don't think it would be in Ohtani's best interests, or in the
best interests of the club signing him, to have him play 1B.
While there isn't a ton of throwing, there is more than one
might think. Knowing someone is injured would cause opponents
to run more on cutoffs, take bigger leads at 1B and steal on
first moves from lefthanded pitchers etc.....While nowhere near
the same thing, my old man team had a 1B coming off shoulder
surgery. Once teams realized that he couldn't throw they took
advantage.
Even routine things like throwing ground balls between innings
was taxing on the arm. I suppose a team could send someone out
to throw groundballs between innings if there isn't a rule
prohibiting it. Teams play catch with the corner OF closest to
their bullpen so there probably isn't a rule against it.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Ron Date: November 16, 2023, 2:19 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=630.msg482535#msg482535
date=1700162900]
I like to get media reports and perspectives, and input from
"sources". But Hoyer's front office has been pretty private.
"Multiple sources" is great, but Hoyer isn't telling agents or
scouts or assistant GM's from other teams what he's trying to
do. Not sure how much weight, if any, to put on the opinions of
industry sources?
[/quote]
Exactly. The only people who have any real sense of what the
Cubs intend to do, or may or may not do re Ohtani, Bellinger etc
are those who are in the most inner circle of the Cubs. And it
should be obvious by now that those guys are not talking to the
media ... or to opposing teams.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: CUBluejays Date: November 16, 2023, 2:23 pm
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[quote author=chgojhawk link=topic=630.msg482537#msg482537
date=1700164079]
I don't think it would be in Ohtani's best interests, or in the
best interests of the club signing him, to have him play 1B.
While there isn't a ton of throwing, there is more than one
might think. Knowing someone is injured would cause opponents
to run more on cutoffs, take bigger leads at 1B and steal on
first moves from lefthanded pitchers etc.....While nowhere near
the same thing, my old man team had a 1B coming off shoulder
surgery. Once teams realized that he couldn't throw they took
advantage.
Even routine things like throwing ground balls between innings
was taxing on the arm. I suppose a team could send someone out
to throw groundballs between innings if there isn't a rule
prohibiting it. Teams play catch with the corner OF closest to
their bullpen so there probably isn't a rule against it.
[/quote]
Harper was able to do it towards the end of the year, but they
would also give him breaks at DH as well.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: Reb Date: November 16, 2023, 2:37 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=630.msg482540#msg482540
date=1700166199]
Harper was able to do it towards the end of the year, but they
would also give him breaks at DH as well.
[/quote]
Harper isn’t a pitcher too.
Can’t imagine a club that has just spent a fortune for Ohtani—in
part as a TORP—taking the risk of having him throw in a game
until he is 100% rehabbed as a pitcher.
What’s the point? Ohtani has never played 1B in big leagues even
when completely healthy.
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Re: Hot Stove
By: CUBluejays Date: November 16, 2023, 2:38 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=630.msg482538#msg482538
date=1700165942]
Exactly. The only people who have any real sense of what the
Cubs intend to do, or may or may not do re Ohtani, Bellinger etc
are those who are in the most inner circle of the Cubs. And it
should be obvious by now that those guys are not talking to the
media ... or to opposing teams.
[/quote]
If you listen to Sharma/Mooney on their podcast, they had a
pretty good idea that the Cubs wanted a SS and Swanson was the
guy they were targeting. Nothing is 100% when it comes to
rumors and things can pop up, but Rogers/Sharma/Mooney seem to
have a pretty good idea of the broad strokes. Go back to
previous off seasons under Hoyer. Sharma/Mooney/Rogers where
pretty good at getting the general direction of things.
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